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Being design-forward is fine, but Apple fell completely into the trap of "function follows form". The in retrospect aptly-shaped "trashcan" Mac Pro was probably

by yborg 8y ago

Being design-forward is fine, but Apple fell completely into the trap of "function follows form". The in retrospect aptly-shaped "trashcan" Mac Pro was probably the ultimate expression of this. But at this point they're not a computer company, so the products need to be viewed in this light. They've decided to be a luxury brand, in which form is in fact more important than function, and the correctness of this decision is shown by their financials. But when you buy a Macbook Pro, you have to be aware that you're essentially buying a Louis Vuitton, or - dare I say it? - Burberry laptop. It's meant to be seen, not used.

pvg 8y ago
Apple fell [...] Mac Pro was probably the ultimate expression of this. You should take a look at, well, Apple's 30-odd-year catalog. Various industrial design screwups pop up fairly regularly and they're invariably interpreted as a profound insight into whatever it is people think Apple is doing horribly wrong at the particular time.
- amiga-workbench 8y ago
  Just look at the original Macintoshes, the lack of a cooling fan meant the machines suffered from pretty bad chip creep. The official solution was to pick your machine up and drop it from a height of several inches to re-seat the chips. Absolutely hilarious.
  - pvg 8y ago
    I think that was the Apple III. You don't want to be dropping a CRT.
    - amiga-workbench 8y ago
      I just looked it up again, you're exactly right. Yeah, sudden jolts really wouldn't be healthy for the stem on a CRT.
glogla 8y ago
Macbook Pros still have best screens, best touchpads and unix operating system that just works and is perfectly compatible with the hardware. The only thing that comes close is XPS oine from Dell. Thinkpads with linux just can't compare (bad screens, software trouble with "reasonable resolution", no MS office, etc). Anything with Windows can't compare, since who would want to use spying os with ads in start menu? I would love anything as good as MBP but there just isn't anything.
- spamizbad 8y ago
  > and unix operating system that just works There were some pretty devastating security flaws in the recent version that are eerily reminiscent of the kind other OSes saw in the 80s and 90s (Plaintexting passwords)
- NicoJuicy 8y ago
  None of that matters if you can't type
  - ordinaryradical 8y ago
    This is my precise dilemma. I want all of what glogla champions, but I have tried the new keyboards for an hour or so in the stores and they are like typing on ice. There are essentially two input devices in a modern computer: Apple has nailed the trackpad, but they've flubbed the keyboard.
- nerdponx 8y ago
  Apple touchpads are still the only ones I can stand to use.
- dmitriid 8y ago
  They managed to screw the trackpad, though. It's too big in the latest model, and falsely recognizes too many touches. And don't get me started on the force touch which is on by default, very inconsistent and mapped to "look up in dictionary" because that's exactly what anyone would want from this feature.
HeavenBanned 8y ago
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by yborg 8y ago

pvg 8y ago

Apple fell [...] Mac Pro was probably the ultimate expression of this. You should take a look at, well, Apple's 30-odd-year catalog. Various industrial design screwups pop up fairly regularly and they're invariably interpreted as a profound insight into whatever it is people think Apple is doing horribly wrong at the particular time.

amiga-workbench 8y ago
Just look at the original Macintoshes, the lack of a cooling fan meant the machines suffered from pretty bad chip creep. The official solution was to pick your machine up and drop it from a height of several inches to re-seat the chips. Absolutely hilarious.
- pvg 8y ago
  I think that was the Apple III. You don't want to be dropping a CRT.
  - amiga-workbench 8y ago
    I just looked it up again, you're exactly right. Yeah, sudden jolts really wouldn't be healthy for the stem on a CRT.

glogla 8y ago

Macbook Pros still have best screens, best touchpads and unix operating system that just works and is perfectly compatible with the hardware. The only thing that comes close is XPS oine from Dell. Thinkpads with linux just can't compare (bad screens, software trouble with "reasonable resolution", no MS office, etc). Anything with Windows can't compare, since who would want to use spying os with ads in start menu? I would love anything as good as MBP but there just isn't anything.

spamizbad 8y ago
> and unix operating system that just works There were some pretty devastating security flaws in the recent version that are eerily reminiscent of the kind other OSes saw in the 80s and 90s (Plaintexting passwords)
NicoJuicy 8y ago
None of that matters if you can't type
- ordinaryradical 8y ago
  This is my precise dilemma. I want all of what glogla champions, but I have tried the new keyboards for an hour or so in the stores and they are like typing on ice. There are essentially two input devices in a modern computer: Apple has nailed the trackpad, but they've flubbed the keyboard.
nerdponx 8y ago
Apple touchpads are still the only ones I can stand to use.
dmitriid 8y ago
They managed to screw the trackpad, though. It's too big in the latest model, and falsely recognizes too many touches. And don't get me started on the force touch which is on by default, very inconsistent and mapped to "look up in dictionary" because that's exactly what anyone would want from this feature.

HeavenBanned 8y ago

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