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I agree with your comment about much of the 20th century, which is why I prefaced my comment the way that I did. I'm in one of those categories and I've experi

by vostok 8y ago

I agree with your comment about much of the 20th century, which is why I prefaced my comment the way that I did. I'm in one of those categories and I've experienced extremely minimal racism in the US. I think the UK has more racism against my category. I think that "some Middle Easterners" is the most controversial category in my list. I have a hard time imagining that Bashar al-Assad would experience very much racism if he were a normal private person.

bitwize 8y ago
Arabs are considered white according to U.S. law, but a "visible minority" according to Canadian law. So yes, they're out on the fringe of the radial category of whiteness.
- vostok 8y ago
  I should have linked to this in my original post, but here is a photograph of Bashar al-Assad. I'm not familiar with Canadian or even US law, but I have a hard time imagining him as a visible minority in the colloquial sense. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Bashar_al-Assad_in_Russia_%282015-10-21%29_08.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Bashar_a... I have no doubt that Mohammad bin Salman would experience racism in the US if he were a normal private person. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_bin_Salman#/media/File:Crown_Prince_Mohammad_bin_Salman_Al_Saud_-_2017.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_bin_Salman#/media/Fil... This is also why I said some Middle Easterners rather than all.
coldtea 8y ago
You're right, in that it's much milder (and not violent) in the 21st century. No discriminatory laws, publicly acceptable hate speech, beatings, etc anymore -- which all use to be for those groups. That said, an e.g. Egyptian, or Middle Eastern or a Greek etc with darker complexion, can and do get "soft racism" -- people swearing at them, communities feeling uneasy about their presence, and so on, have heard several such stories from first person accounts when collecting information for a project. They simply don't look like clean cut all-American boys and girls. Not sure how it's in the UK though.

by vostok 8y ago

bitwize 8y ago

Arabs are considered white according to U.S. law, but a "visible minority" according to Canadian law. So yes, they're out on the fringe of the radial category of whiteness.

vostok 8y ago
I should have linked to this in my original post, but here is a photograph of Bashar al-Assad. I'm not familiar with Canadian or even US law, but I have a hard time imagining him as a visible minority in the colloquial sense. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Bashar_al-Assad_in_Russia_%282015-10-21%29_08.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Bashar_a... I have no doubt that Mohammad bin Salman would experience racism in the US if he were a normal private person. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_bin_Salman#/media/File:Crown_Prince_Mohammad_bin_Salman_Al_Saud_-_2017.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_bin_Salman#/media/Fil... This is also why I said some Middle Easterners rather than all.

coldtea 8y ago

You're right, in that it's much milder (and not violent) in the 21st century. No discriminatory laws, publicly acceptable hate speech, beatings, etc anymore -- which all use to be for those groups. That said, an e.g. Egyptian, or Middle Eastern or a Greek etc with darker complexion, can and do get "soft racism" -- people swearing at them, communities feeling uneasy about their presence, and so on, have heard several such stories from first person accounts when collecting information for a project. They simply don't look like clean cut all-American boys and girls. Not sure how it's in the UK though.