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> "And how will hackerISP pay for nationwide infrastructure?" Depending on where you live, ISPs do not need to own their own infrastructure. For a bit more inf

> "And how will hackerISP pay for nationwide infrastructure?" Depending on where you live, ISPs do not need to own their own infrastructure. For a bit more information into how this can work, I'd recommend taking a look at local loop unbundling: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local-loop_unbundling https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local-loop_unbundling Also, GP is alluding to things that have already happened in the past, in the wild west days of the Internet it was more common for small ISPs to get started (even with competition from the big ISPs like AOL and CompuServe).

hinkley 8y ago
He says nationwide infrastructure and you link to regulations on last mile issues. I think you misunderstood “nationwide”, and made his point for him by citing governmental intervention in internetworking.
- ZenoArrow 8y ago
  You only need to connect to the local exchanges, by and large the deeper routing nodes are not run by commercial ISPs.
zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 8y ago
> Depending on where you live, ISPs do not need to own their own infrastructure. For a bit more information into how this can work, I'd recommend taking a look at local loop unbundling: So, you are in favor of regulation forcing last-mile operators to allow competitors to use their infrastructure at a competetive price set by the regulator without any discrimination based on the data transmitted, right? > Also, GP is alluding to things that have already happened in the past, in the wild west days of the Internet it was more common for small ISPs to get started (even with competition from the big ISPs like AOL and CompuServe). Which didn't compete on the last mile, as the access medium was a telephone line. Consumer ISPs in those days didn't have to have a last mile, they simply used the monopoly's last mile of telephone wire.
- ZenoArrow 8y ago
  > "So, you are in favor of regulation forcing last-mile operators to allow competitors to use their infrastructure at a competetive price set by the regulator without any discrimination based on the data transmitted, right?" Perhaps you're unaware, but there's a long history of government grants to fund telecommunications infrastructure, the growth is not solely due to private companies. Here's a recent example from my country (the UK), I'm fairly confident I could find equivalent stories from where you live: https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/07/uk-gov-start-400m-digital-infrastructure-fund-boost-full-fibre-broadband.html https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/07/uk-gov-start-4... So no, I have no problem with local loop unbundling when it's partly tax payer money funding the network improvements.

hinkley 8y ago

He says nationwide infrastructure and you link to regulations on last mile issues. I think you misunderstood “nationwide”, and made his point for him by citing governmental intervention in internetworking.

ZenoArrow 8y ago
You only need to connect to the local exchanges, by and large the deeper routing nodes are not run by commercial ISPs.

zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 8y ago

> Depending on where you live, ISPs do not need to own their own infrastructure. For a bit more information into how this can work, I'd recommend taking a look at local loop unbundling: So, you are in favor of regulation forcing last-mile operators to allow competitors to use their infrastructure at a competetive price set by the regulator without any discrimination based on the data transmitted, right? > Also, GP is alluding to things that have already happened in the past, in the wild west days of the Internet it was more common for small ISPs to get started (even with competition from the big ISPs like AOL and CompuServe). Which didn't compete on the last mile, as the access medium was a telephone line. Consumer ISPs in those days didn't have to have a last mile, they simply used the monopoly's last mile of telephone wire.

ZenoArrow 8y ago
> "So, you are in favor of regulation forcing last-mile operators to allow competitors to use their infrastructure at a competetive price set by the regulator without any discrimination based on the data transmitted, right?" Perhaps you're unaware, but there's a long history of government grants to fund telecommunications infrastructure, the growth is not solely due to private companies. Here's a recent example from my country (the UK), I'm fairly confident I could find equivalent stories from where you live: https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/07/uk-gov-start-400m-digital-infrastructure-fund-boost-full-fibre-broadband.html https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2017/07/uk-gov-start-4... So no, I have no problem with local loop unbundling when it's partly tax payer money funding the network improvements.