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This is why I think colleges should pay people who work in industries to give students the scoop on things regularly. Unless you have close family that works in

by cm2012 9y ago

This is why I think colleges should pay people who work in industries to give students the scoop on things regularly. Unless you have close family that works in a business, there's so much you don't know when you're in college or just graduated about the careers you want to join.

chatmasta 9y ago
Isn’t that exactly the point of internships?
- TeMPOraL 9y ago
  Internships seem to be structured as yet another hoop to jump through on the path to a career, and by that time it's already expected of you to know what you want to do.
  - jaclaz 9y ago
    Actually - as it is often used - internship is only a way to pay less for the same (or sometimes more) not-fully-qualified job. Internship (what was once called apprenticeship) made (and makes) a lot of sense where the employer supplies knowledge (arts and crafts being a typical example), nowadays to actually be considered for an internship you need to have a full, recognized cycle of uni-level study (which is the thing that in theory should have already provided you with all the knowledge - bar the experience - needed for your profession). One thing is having a (lower paid but with "full dignity") entry-level job, and another is having "stages", "internships" and similar, where very often the young people is not actually taught anything and are just a replacement for generic secretarial or similar activities.
    - leetcrew 9y ago
      > Actually - as it is often used - internship is only a way to pay less for the same (or sometimes more) not-fully-qualified job. are you speaking from experience here? i have had several internships, and at each one they let me fix a couple trivial bugs in production before giving me a toy project they have no intention of actually using. my peers have had very similar experiences. i would actually have loved to be given a full engineer's assignment.
      - jaclaz 9y ago
        >are you speaking from experience here? No, not really personal experience, due to age I am way past any internship or apprenticeship possible offer, but I have (much younger than me) cousins and sons of friends that went into the stuff (a couple still are). Also, you are speaking about a very definite field (I presume software engineer or similar), while I was more broadly speaking, an internship at - say - a legal firm or - still say - an accounting firm or other "generic" office, where internships usually (not always) revolve around data entering, making photocopies and similar.
        leetcrew 9y ago
        ah, i assumed we were talking about SWE type internships. i could certainly see interns doing entry-level work in other fields.
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- cm2012 9y ago
  Internships are too deep of a commitment at this stage though for shallow learning of a variety of industries, it's more for deep learning when you know your general direction.

by cm2012 9y ago

chatmasta 9y ago

Isn’t that exactly the point of internships?

TeMPOraL 9y ago
Internships seem to be structured as yet another hoop to jump through on the path to a career, and by that time it's already expected of you to know what you want to do.
- jaclaz 9y ago
  Actually - as it is often used - internship is only a way to pay less for the same (or sometimes more) not-fully-qualified job. Internship (what was once called apprenticeship) made (and makes) a lot of sense where the employer supplies knowledge (arts and crafts being a typical example), nowadays to actually be considered for an internship you need to have a full, recognized cycle of uni-level study (which is the thing that in theory should have already provided you with all the knowledge - bar the experience - needed for your profession). One thing is having a (lower paid but with "full dignity") entry-level job, and another is having "stages", "internships" and similar, where very often the young people is not actually taught anything and are just a replacement for generic secretarial or similar activities.
  - leetcrew 9y ago
    > Actually - as it is often used - internship is only a way to pay less for the same (or sometimes more) not-fully-qualified job. are you speaking from experience here? i have had several internships, and at each one they let me fix a couple trivial bugs in production before giving me a toy project they have no intention of actually using. my peers have had very similar experiences. i would actually have loved to be given a full engineer's assignment.
    - jaclaz 9y ago
      >are you speaking from experience here? No, not really personal experience, due to age I am way past any internship or apprenticeship possible offer, but I have (much younger than me) cousins and sons of friends that went into the stuff (a couple still are). Also, you are speaking about a very definite field (I presume software engineer or similar), while I was more broadly speaking, an internship at - say - a legal firm or - still say - an accounting firm or other "generic" office, where internships usually (not always) revolve around data entering, making photocopies and similar.
      - leetcrew 9y ago
        ah, i assumed we were talking about SWE type internships. i could certainly see interns doing entry-level work in other fields.
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cm2012 9y ago
Internships are too deep of a commitment at this stage though for shallow learning of a variety of industries, it's more for deep learning when you know your general direction.