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It's not like that in every region of Europe. Though that is what I would expect getting in Oslo, Norway.

by olavgg 8y ago

dogma1138 8y ago
It’s on the very high end even for Norway for engineers.
candiodari 8y ago
The region I'm from publishes it's figures. The best engineers (or at least the ones making the most new science) are assistants at university. Their pay is published, and public (this is North West Europe) Starts at 23k5 EUR, goes up to 40k EUR per year, if you keep it up for 20+ years (note: it is only this "high" if you're on a full time scholarship. The average, even though the universities hide this fact, is 20% or so lower, mostly because there's more than a few that "aren't full time". In reality not working full time as an assistant is a stupid piece of fiction: that simply does not happen, although it is true that you really do have much flexibility if you do well) Engineers in public service make around 30% more in theory, but pay more taxes. In reality they make the same amount of money. If you get promoted to professor, you start at 40k, tops out at 70k. You can make more, but not spectacularly more, by becoming a university administrator. In Silicon valley, pay for someone who knows javascript starts at 95k USD (75k EUR, 5% more than a university administrator with 20+ years of experience), and tops out at 5x that. Needless to say, if you can be a university professor, you are very likely to be a great engineer, you should be able to quickly make it to 300k pay, but even if you don't, you're still making a lot more. Good luck retaining these people. One of the leading AI researchers, Pieter Abbeel, is one of the people who seems to have made the choice not to be retained. I also have lots of anecdotal evidence that seems to indicate this is in fact what is happening. The brain drain from Europe is once again at or exceeding what it was in 2000: people are getting whisked away before they even graduate, and it's once again getting ridiculous : people get whisked away even before the last year.

It's not like that in every region of Europe. Though that is what I would expect getting in Oslo, Norway.

by olavgg 8y ago

It's not like that in every region of Europe. Though that is what I would expect getting in Oslo, Norway.

dogma1138 8y ago

It’s on the very high end even for Norway for engineers.

candiodari 8y ago

The region I'm from publishes it's figures. The best engineers (or at least the ones making the most new science) are assistants at university. Their pay is published, and public (this is North West Europe) Starts at 23k5 EUR, goes up to 40k EUR per year, if you keep it up for 20+ years (note: it is only this "high" if you're on a full time scholarship. The average, even though the universities hide this fact, is 20% or so lower, mostly because there's more than a few that "aren't full time". In reality not working full time as an assistant is a stupid piece of fiction: that simply does not happen, although it is true that you really do have much flexibility if you do well) Engineers in public service make around 30% more in theory, but pay more taxes. In reality they make the same amount of money. If you get promoted to professor, you start at 40k, tops out at 70k. You can make more, but not spectacularly more, by becoming a university administrator. In Silicon valley, pay for someone who knows javascript starts at 95k USD (75k EUR, 5% more than a university administrator with 20+ years of experience), and tops out at 5x that. Needless to say, if you can be a university professor, you are very likely to be a great engineer, you should be able to quickly make it to 300k pay, but even if you don't, you're still making a lot more. Good luck retaining these people. One of the leading AI researchers, Pieter Abbeel, is one of the people who seems to have made the choice not to be retained. I also have lots of anecdotal evidence that seems to indicate this is in fact what is happening. The brain drain from Europe is once again at or exceeding what it was in 2000: people are getting whisked away before they even graduate, and it's once again getting ridiculous : people get whisked away even before the last year.