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If you want to understand Mozilla's actions, just treat them like a proxy for Google. Things google cannot publicly speak about, Mozilla does it for them. In t

If you want to understand Mozilla's actions, just treat them like a proxy for Google. Things google cannot publicly speak about, Mozilla does it for them. In this case, nn by design takes power away from infrastructure companies (ISPs) and gives it to internet services companies (google, facebook, etc.). So Mozilla is very actively supporting it.

boomboomsubban 8y ago
In no way can Mozilla's actions be taken as a proxy for Google. Yes, most of their revenue comes from Google now, but this is a recent change and there's no reason to think that contract gave Google any control. Next, Google has already voiced their support for net neutrality. They even have a real "proxy," the Internet Association, pledging to support lawsuits like the Mozilla one. https://www.google.com/takeaction/action/net-neutrality/ https://www.google.com/takeaction/action/net-neutrality/
- dingo_bat 8y ago
  > but this is a recent change and there's no reason to think that contract gave Google any control. You're not thinking hard enough then I guess. Mozilla gets 97% of its funding from Google. That's implicit control right there. Google can fail to renew the contract and Mozilla goes poof!
  - yoklov 8y ago
    Mozilla doesn’t get 97% of it’s funding from google, and until very recently it didn’t get very much at all from them — it’s primary revenue source was yahoo.
    - dingo_bat 8y ago
      > Mozilla doesn’t get 97% of it’s funding from google They do. Look up Mozilla's latest annual report. Edit: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2016/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2016/ Royalties of $503k out of total revenue $520k. Almost 100% of the Royalties are from thier search engine agreement with Google.
      - boomboomsubban 8y ago
        >Royalties of $503k out of total revenue $520k. Almost 100% of the Royalties are from thier search engine agreement with Google. That report is from 2016, when Yahoo had the search engine deal with Mozilla in the US and paid most of the royalties. Now Google presumably pays the most, I doubt that immediately turned Mozilla into their stooge. Plus, Google is already publicly favoring net neutrality. Some backroom conspiracy to hide things doesn't seem to benefit them.
  - Sylos 8y ago
    If Google doesn't want that place anymore, there are competitors who would pay similar amounts. Obviously a little less, Google was the highest bidder, otherwise they wouldn't have that space, but not so much less that Mozilla would go poof.

boomboomsubban 8y ago

In no way can Mozilla's actions be taken as a proxy for Google. Yes, most of their revenue comes from Google now, but this is a recent change and there's no reason to think that contract gave Google any control. Next, Google has already voiced their support for net neutrality. They even have a real "proxy," the Internet Association, pledging to support lawsuits like the Mozilla one. https://www.google.com/takeaction/action/net-neutrality/ https://www.google.com/takeaction/action/net-neutrality/

dingo_bat 8y ago
> but this is a recent change and there's no reason to think that contract gave Google any control. You're not thinking hard enough then I guess. Mozilla gets 97% of its funding from Google. That's implicit control right there. Google can fail to renew the contract and Mozilla goes poof!
- yoklov 8y ago
  Mozilla doesn’t get 97% of it’s funding from google, and until very recently it didn’t get very much at all from them — it’s primary revenue source was yahoo.
  - dingo_bat 8y ago
    > Mozilla doesn’t get 97% of it’s funding from google They do. Look up Mozilla's latest annual report. Edit: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2016/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2016/ Royalties of $503k out of total revenue $520k. Almost 100% of the Royalties are from thier search engine agreement with Google.
    - boomboomsubban 8y ago
      >Royalties of $503k out of total revenue $520k. Almost 100% of the Royalties are from thier search engine agreement with Google. That report is from 2016, when Yahoo had the search engine deal with Mozilla in the US and paid most of the royalties. Now Google presumably pays the most, I doubt that immediately turned Mozilla into their stooge. Plus, Google is already publicly favoring net neutrality. Some backroom conspiracy to hide things doesn't seem to benefit them.
- Sylos 8y ago
  If Google doesn't want that place anymore, there are competitors who would pay similar amounts. Obviously a little less, Google was the highest bidder, otherwise they wouldn't have that space, but not so much less that Mozilla would go poof.