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I personally dislike their hardware (I've owned Clevo / Sager for close to 15 years now, they've always felt cheap and plasticky), but I think their PPA and sup

I personally dislike their hardware (I've owned Clevo / Sager for close to 15 years now, they've always felt cheap and plasticky), but I think their PPA and support are great. The problem is that it's not clear what exactly is better out there for Linux enthusiasts who want a MacBook Pro-like experience out of the box. They're the least worst solution on the market as far as I can tell.

ams6110 8y ago
> Linux enthusiasts who want a MacBook Pro-like experience out of the box. How big a group is this? Most enthusiasts like the ceremony of installing and configuring their favorite distros to their likings. Or am I misunderstanding what you mean by "enthusiast?"
- robotbikes 8y ago
  Well considering before I switched to my System76 laptop I had to deal with trying to get a proprietary video chipset working that also controlled my CPU fan. It was not any fun and the result was a machine that would just plain overheat when I ran Linux (also did it on Windows). On the other hand when I had issues with my System76 machine I bought second-hand I was able to get excellent support and the drivers all worked out of the box. So yeah I'd rather buy a machine that has working drivers out of the box than waste more hours of my life trying to troubleshoot getting some kind of proprietary chips working.
  - BadassFractal 8y ago
    Right. I like Linux, but my company pays me to produce results, not to tweak my machine all day just to make it work.
- BadassFractal 8y ago
  That's fair, I should have said "professional" more than "enthusiast". I'm in the category where I use Linux for a living, but I also don't want to spend a week debugging why WiFi keeps dropping at random intervals instead of actually getting my job done.
- confiq 8y ago
  probably big. Sometimes I just want to code and not to mess with OS all the time...

ams6110 8y ago

> Linux enthusiasts who want a MacBook Pro-like experience out of the box. How big a group is this? Most enthusiasts like the ceremony of installing and configuring their favorite distros to their likings. Or am I misunderstanding what you mean by "enthusiast?"

robotbikes 8y ago
Well considering before I switched to my System76 laptop I had to deal with trying to get a proprietary video chipset working that also controlled my CPU fan. It was not any fun and the result was a machine that would just plain overheat when I ran Linux (also did it on Windows). On the other hand when I had issues with my System76 machine I bought second-hand I was able to get excellent support and the drivers all worked out of the box. So yeah I'd rather buy a machine that has working drivers out of the box than waste more hours of my life trying to troubleshoot getting some kind of proprietary chips working.
- BadassFractal 8y ago
  Right. I like Linux, but my company pays me to produce results, not to tweak my machine all day just to make it work.
BadassFractal 8y ago
That's fair, I should have said "professional" more than "enthusiast". I'm in the category where I use Linux for a living, but I also don't want to spend a week debugging why WiFi keeps dropping at random intervals instead of actually getting my job done.
confiq 8y ago
probably big. Sometimes I just want to code and not to mess with OS all the time...