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> Sometimes they come in late and leave early, sometimes they work from home and I can tell by what they produce they spent half the day doing something else. B

> Sometimes they come in late and leave early, sometimes they work from home and I can tell by what they produce they spent half the day doing something else. But then sometimes I’ll get an email at 2am on a Saturday because someone found his/her coding flow at an off hour. god bless you for this insight. As a contractor I've worked at multiple places, and my current gig cares more about 'asses in seats' than output. It's incredibly demotivating, having come from an environment where output was the goal.

ende 8y ago
As a contractor, you are under no obligation to be an ass in any seat, and if client says otherwise you can point them towards IRS reclassification.
- lawnchair_larry 8y ago
  Not really true, it’s easy to make the case that work must be done on site. Company policy prevents source code from leaving, or network resources are not available outside the office or something.
  - Clubber 8y ago
    In the US, it's illegal to require an independent contractor to be on site or to even set hours. It's a purely output driven venture. The government sees it as a form of tax evasion, so companies need to be mindful of it. https://legal.uncc.edu/legal-topics/contracts/contract-checklist/independent-contractor-rules-thumb https://legal.uncc.edu/legal-topics/contracts/contract-check... https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/employers-must-follow-strict-rules-for-independent-contractors-011315.html https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/employers-must-follow-s... https://www.reuters.com/article/businesspropicks-us-findlaw-dont-treat-c/dont-treat-contractors-like-employees-idUSTRE53063S20090401 https://www.reuters.com/article/businesspropicks-us-findlaw-...
    - MoBattah 8y ago
      Betting OP meant "on contract" versus a 1099 contractor. Maybe I'm wrong. If I'm not, he/she has very little say in their environment. At least that's my experience.
- frockington 8y ago
  As a contractor you can also be fired. Most states are at will employment. "Bob wasn't performing and we had difficulties reaching him when needed"
  - ende 8y ago
    No, as an employee you can be fired. As a contractor, well, that all depends on the language of your contract... it can be broken or not-renewed, but it's closer to losing a repeat-customer than being fired.

ende 8y ago

As a contractor, you are under no obligation to be an ass in any seat, and if client says otherwise you can point them towards IRS reclassification.

lawnchair_larry 8y ago
Not really true, it’s easy to make the case that work must be done on site. Company policy prevents source code from leaving, or network resources are not available outside the office or something.
- Clubber 8y ago
  In the US, it's illegal to require an independent contractor to be on site or to even set hours. It's a purely output driven venture. The government sees it as a form of tax evasion, so companies need to be mindful of it. https://legal.uncc.edu/legal-topics/contracts/contract-checklist/independent-contractor-rules-thumb https://legal.uncc.edu/legal-topics/contracts/contract-check... https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/employers-must-follow-strict-rules-for-independent-contractors-011315.html https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/employers-must-follow-s... https://www.reuters.com/article/businesspropicks-us-findlaw-dont-treat-c/dont-treat-contractors-like-employees-idUSTRE53063S20090401 https://www.reuters.com/article/businesspropicks-us-findlaw-...
  - MoBattah 8y ago
    Betting OP meant "on contract" versus a 1099 contractor. Maybe I'm wrong. If I'm not, he/she has very little say in their environment. At least that's my experience.
frockington 8y ago
As a contractor you can also be fired. Most states are at will employment. "Bob wasn't performing and we had difficulties reaching him when needed"
- ende 8y ago
  No, as an employee you can be fired. As a contractor, well, that all depends on the language of your contract... it can be broken or not-renewed, but it's closer to losing a repeat-customer than being fired.