I've left other communities for many of the same reasons. I think that people get attached to the discourse and mental challenge that they ignore the underlyin

I've left other communities for many of the same reasons. I think that people get attached to the discourse and mental challenge that they ignore the underlying issues. I don't think any site will ever be good enough and I don't think that sites really change that much. I think the change perceived is more the person coming around to the way things actually are and not the 'new toy' image they had. One site that I like to look at from time to time is http://forum.objectivismonline.net/index.php?s=7f68f69e2b74acadce7bf0617ca0c303&act=idx http://forum.objectivismonline.net/index.php?s=7f68f69e2b74a... From what I can tell, most people that post there do so in a manner that represents intelligence and proper manners. Plus they all agree with each other too. There are some new people that join up because they have a question but from what I have seen, there is a finite community. This also leads to a tremendous stagnation on the forums. When everyone agrees, and everyone is polite, discussions resolve themselves very quickly and there is nothing left to talk about. Granted they are only concerned with one particular philosophy and it's impacts, I think it shows what can happen.