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Well, on hand you have people complaining that Android is too open and allows carriers to load crapware and disable tethering. On the other hand, we have people

Well, on hand you have people complaining that Android is too open and allows carriers to load crapware and disable tethering. On the other hand, we have people complaining that Android is too closed because Motorola couldn't switch location providers. Which one is it?

jonknee 16y ago
I think it's the other other hand where people just like to complain. This reminds me of faux political controversy that gets created by cable news (replace Fox News with Daring Fireball).
jerf 16y ago
Can you establish that these are the exact same people? It's only hypocrisy if you can establish that. Otherwise you've merely observed in a relatively hostile way that various people have various ideas about "freedom" and that's neither news nor terribly interesting on its own.
- jonknee 16y ago
  John Gruber is playing both sides. It's veiled in his usual snark, but he has been hitting on Skyhook quite a bit: http://daringfireball.net/2010/09/the_welcome_to_android http://daringfireball.net/2010/09/the_welcome_to_android http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/09/16/dont-be-evil http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/09/16/dont-be-evil http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/09/16/skyhook-google http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/09/16/skyhook-google And has also snarked about the "open for carriers" situation quite a bit: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/09/02/skype-android http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/09/02/skype-android http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/03/02/att-android http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/03/02/att-android http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/07/17/preinstalled http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/07/17/preinstalled http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/08/06/skype-verizon http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/08/06/skype-verizon
  - patrickaljord 16y ago
    His blog has turned from an Apple love fest into a Google/android hate blog. Pretty ridiculous.
jsz0 16y ago
Unfortunately it seems to be both. Google could deny carriers licenses for Google apps/market if they choose to load crapware and/or disable tethering but so far they've used that power to go after Skyhook. Maybe they have entirely legitimate reasons for this? It's very difficult to walk the line between open and closed without running into some uncomfortable situations.
wmf 16y ago
In both cases Google appears to be using their influence poorly.

jonknee 16y ago

I think it's the other other hand where people just like to complain. This reminds me of faux political controversy that gets created by cable news (replace Fox News with Daring Fireball).

jerf 16y ago

Can you establish that these are the exact same people? It's only hypocrisy if you can establish that. Otherwise you've merely observed in a relatively hostile way that various people have various ideas about "freedom" and that's neither news nor terribly interesting on its own.

jonknee 16y ago
John Gruber is playing both sides. It's veiled in his usual snark, but he has been hitting on Skyhook quite a bit: http://daringfireball.net/2010/09/the_welcome_to_android http://daringfireball.net/2010/09/the_welcome_to_android http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/09/16/dont-be-evil http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/09/16/dont-be-evil http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/09/16/skyhook-google http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/09/16/skyhook-google And has also snarked about the "open for carriers" situation quite a bit: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/09/02/skype-android http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/09/02/skype-android http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/03/02/att-android http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/03/02/att-android http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/07/17/preinstalled http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/07/17/preinstalled http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/08/06/skype-verizon http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/08/06/skype-verizon
- patrickaljord 16y ago
  His blog has turned from an Apple love fest into a Google/android hate blog. Pretty ridiculous.

jsz0 16y ago

Unfortunately it seems to be both. Google could deny carriers licenses for Google apps/market if they choose to load crapware and/or disable tethering but so far they've used that power to go after Skyhook. Maybe they have entirely legitimate reasons for this? It's very difficult to walk the line between open and closed without running into some uncomfortable situations.

wmf 16y ago

In both cases Google appears to be using their influence poorly.