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What exactly is meant by the line "Design patterns disappear as you adapt the language to your problem domain." The word "disappear" is a hyperlink to a pdf, w

What exactly is meant by the line "Design patterns disappear as you adapt the language to your problem domain." The word "disappear" is a hyperlink to a pdf, which refers to domain-specific design-patterns. I don't quite seem to grasp what is being implied on the home-page. Is it something like Lisp is very customizable and allows you to easily overload operators? (I am primarily a Java programmer and have never used Lisp). EDIT: I mean, e.g. this page asks "Are Design Patterns Missing Language Features" http://wiki.c2.com/?AreDesignPatternsMissingLanguageFeatures http://wiki.c2.com/?AreDesignPatternsMissingLanguageFeatures Is this what's being referred to, and if so, what makes Lisp especially good for adding language features?

giancarlostoro 8y ago
Indeed Lisps claim to fame is how much the language itself is extensible. Something along the lines of "you rewrite the language / expand it" for whatever project you're working on. Writing your own lisp interpreter is another popular type of project people do as well given how simple Lisps syntax is to parse and follow. If you are interested in Lisp on the JVM check out Clojure.
- lispm 8y ago
  For Lisp on the JVM there is also ABCL, which is a full implementation of Common Lisp: https://abcl.org https://abcl.org
- darkhorn 8y ago
  And you can change Lisp language on the fly. Think like you can chage "if" in Java.
JaumeGreen 8y ago
Lisp macros are what make lisp extensible. They make it extensible in a way that make it indistinguishable from language features. The best simple explanatin I found for macros is this one [0]. In a rough sumary: you could add to lisp any "missing" functionality -present in another language- with just macros (without altering the compiler/interpreter), and this functionality would work as if it was in the compiler/interpreter from the beginning. [0] http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/macros-defining-your-own.html http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/macros-defining-your-own.htm...
- SomeHacker44 8y ago
  Remember that Common Lisp, at least, has many different types of macros. The most common are ordinary s-expression macros (macros that look like s-expressions and output an s-expression at compile time). However, there are also symbol macros and reader macros as well, each of which are used to make Common Lisp massively extensible and an amazingly expressive language.
montrose 8y ago
The short version is that many "design patterns" are de facto macroexpansions. So if you write the corresponding macro, you don't need the pattern any more.
- pavelludiq 8y ago
  Yes, basically Lisp gives you the tools to automate the process of implementing patterns. You implement the pattern once and then you just reuse the implementation the way you would ordinary logic in normal programming languages.
darkhorn 8y ago
Some of the problems in imperative languages are solved with design patterns. You don't have these problems if you use Lisp.
kqr 8y ago
If it is indeed true that you are primarily a Java dev who has never used Lisp, I am impressed by how well you managed to ask a question in an area where you must have very little familiarity.

giancarlostoro 8y ago

Indeed Lisps claim to fame is how much the language itself is extensible. Something along the lines of "you rewrite the language / expand it" for whatever project you're working on. Writing your own lisp interpreter is another popular type of project people do as well given how simple Lisps syntax is to parse and follow. If you are interested in Lisp on the JVM check out Clojure.

lispm 8y ago
For Lisp on the JVM there is also ABCL, which is a full implementation of Common Lisp: https://abcl.org https://abcl.org
darkhorn 8y ago
And you can change Lisp language on the fly. Think like you can chage "if" in Java.

JaumeGreen 8y ago

Lisp macros are what make lisp extensible. They make it extensible in a way that make it indistinguishable from language features. The best simple explanatin I found for macros is this one [0]. In a rough sumary: you could add to lisp any "missing" functionality -present in another language- with just macros (without altering the compiler/interpreter), and this functionality would work as if it was in the compiler/interpreter from the beginning. [0] http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/macros-defining-your-own.html http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/macros-defining-your-own.htm...

SomeHacker44 8y ago
Remember that Common Lisp, at least, has many different types of macros. The most common are ordinary s-expression macros (macros that look like s-expressions and output an s-expression at compile time). However, there are also symbol macros and reader macros as well, each of which are used to make Common Lisp massively extensible and an amazingly expressive language.

montrose 8y ago

The short version is that many "design patterns" are de facto macroexpansions. So if you write the corresponding macro, you don't need the pattern any more.

pavelludiq 8y ago
Yes, basically Lisp gives you the tools to automate the process of implementing patterns. You implement the pattern once and then you just reuse the implementation the way you would ordinary logic in normal programming languages.

darkhorn 8y ago

Some of the problems in imperative languages are solved with design patterns. You don't have these problems if you use Lisp.

kqr 8y ago

If it is indeed true that you are primarily a Java dev who has never used Lisp, I am impressed by how well you managed to ask a question in an area where you must have very little familiarity.