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I don't believe that anyone here, without looking it up, could explain what exactly "net neutrality" means, without falling back on talking points and vague asp

I don't believe that anyone here, without looking it up, could explain what exactly "net neutrality" means, without falling back on talking points and vague aspirational language, rather than what actually is written in the regulations. For starters, the FCC did an end run around Congress because they couldn't get Congress to pass it, so they had to take previous regulations intended for telephone service and cram a square peg into a round hole with all kinds of promises not to enforce certain parts, etc. I'll bet 90% of the people reading this comment don't even know what that means.

Lurker397412 8y ago
I appreciate your posts -- and the few others that voice their ideas that are astray of whatever the current YC-manipulated ethos is. For one, I have little fucking clue what any of those statements mean. However, from the understanding I have gleaned, I've found to be more close to the metal, than what either, heavily-lobbied side, can offer. Back to lurking. No place is safe from manipulation. Not [0-9(a-z){0,3}]chan, neither HackerNews. Meritocracy of ideas is dying, etc. etc. ad captandum vulgus.
matchbok 8y ago
Stop pretending that you are smarter than everyone here. There is a reason why only the telcos want to get rid of NN.
duxup 8y ago
I think most folks here (and who care elsewhere) get the gist and impact of net neutrality. There's quite a few discussions that seem to illustrate their knowledge pretty clearly. You just have to read them. I mean can you honestly recite the regulations? Would that disqualify your opposition to it? The gist of your position seems to be the supporters are dumb and you generally don't like government regulation .... and the rest honestly seem like handed out talking points about things like "couldn't get it through congress" in an article about congressional action.
- ppf 8y ago
  The "gist" of Net Neutrality - "all connections and data packets must be treated equally, except when ISPs give access to some sites for free to some people, and when live audio and video streams need QoS prioritising, and when nasty websites need blocking".
- jeremyt 8y ago
  No, my position is that supporters are naive and uninformed, not dumb.
  - duxup 8y ago
    I'm not sure that really changes anything.
mch82 8y ago
How is internet traffic meaningfully different from phone network traffic? It's all signals carrying data over transmission cables...
- ppf 8y ago
  Where to begin? Phone traffic is circuit-switched, internet traffic is packet-switched. This is a fundamental difference in network topology. The phone network carries only one type of data - audio - encoded in one particular way.
- sudoke 8y ago
  First look up analog and digital. Then look up bandwidth and latency.

Lurker397412 8y ago

I appreciate your posts -- and the few others that voice their ideas that are astray of whatever the current YC-manipulated ethos is. For one, I have little fucking clue what any of those statements mean. However, from the understanding I have gleaned, I've found to be more close to the metal, than what either, heavily-lobbied side, can offer. Back to lurking. No place is safe from manipulation. Not [0-9(a-z){0,3}]chan, neither HackerNews. Meritocracy of ideas is dying, etc. etc. ad captandum vulgus.

matchbok 8y ago

Stop pretending that you are smarter than everyone here. There is a reason why only the telcos want to get rid of NN.

duxup 8y ago

I think most folks here (and who care elsewhere) get the gist and impact of net neutrality. There's quite a few discussions that seem to illustrate their knowledge pretty clearly. You just have to read them. I mean can you honestly recite the regulations? Would that disqualify your opposition to it? The gist of your position seems to be the supporters are dumb and you generally don't like government regulation .... and the rest honestly seem like handed out talking points about things like "couldn't get it through congress" in an article about congressional action.

ppf 8y ago
The "gist" of Net Neutrality - "all connections and data packets must be treated equally, except when ISPs give access to some sites for free to some people, and when live audio and video streams need QoS prioritising, and when nasty websites need blocking".
jeremyt 8y ago
No, my position is that supporters are naive and uninformed, not dumb.
- duxup 8y ago
  I'm not sure that really changes anything.

mch82 8y ago

How is internet traffic meaningfully different from phone network traffic? It's all signals carrying data over transmission cables...

ppf 8y ago
Where to begin? Phone traffic is circuit-switched, internet traffic is packet-switched. This is a fundamental difference in network topology. The phone network carries only one type of data - audio - encoded in one particular way.
sudoke 8y ago
First look up analog and digital. Then look up bandwidth and latency.