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Great timing for me. Just got the last of the parts in to build a network audio player, waiting for the weekend to start on it. I'll use this instead of Raspian

by _jal 9y ago

Great timing for me. Just got the last of the parts in to build a network audio player, waiting for the weekend to start on it. I'll use this instead of Raspian.

freedomben 9y ago
Why do you want to use sysvinit over systemd? Do you have init scripts already written that you don't want to port?
- frankharv 9y ago
  Well binary logs seem to be a good enough reason for me. I use FreeBSD and Devuan feels like I am in control. Some commercial software won't work on FreeBSD so I have to use some Linux. I also use Alpine because it uses OpenRC. With gLibc missing it is tough to compile some software. Compared, Devuan seems to be very software compatible and offers the familiarity of Debian. Over at FreeBSD we have loads of new users thanks to systemd. Keep up the great work RedHat.
  - iforgotpassword 9y ago
    That's why I have a wildcard redirect to rsyslogd, the journal is pretty much mirrored in text form in /var/log. I still think systemd is by far the best init system around. Service files are a trillion times cleaner, easier to understand and maintain than those bloated 90% copy and past init scripts with the retarded archaic run level concept. Really, if I had a reasonable amount of free time left I'd start something like systemd lite which is just the init part and none of the other bullshit. You could already just use that part but there is still quite a bit of crap around that could just be removed.
    - JdeBP 9y ago
      You need to learn about uselessd. And you need to stop committing the fallacy of allowing for only two systems in the world, systemd and van Smoorenburg init+rc. This fallacy was called out by the author of uselessd. * http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ProSystemdAntiSystemd/ http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ProSystemdAntiSystemd/ * http://jdebp.eu./FGA/run-scripts-and-service-units-side-by-side.html http://jdebp.eu./FGA/run-scripts-and-service-units-side-by-s...
  - gsich 9y ago
    I hear the binary logging argument very often. What is bad with it? Is the format not specified? Maybe it is more efficient to log this way. Often it comes down to "it's not text, which I don't like, ergo binary is bad".
- _jal 9y ago
  Several reasons, the largest of which is that I dislike systemd. I'm not going to rehash the arguments that have been had thousands of times, just put me in 'that' bucket. Other reasons include that I like to support alternate distros, I'm curious as to how they've done with it so far, and this is a low-resource device so I don't want unnecessary junk like journald wasting cycles.
newnewpdro 9y ago
While I think it's great you have the option, it doesn't strike me as the best choice.
- _jal 9y ago
  Thanks for sharing your carefully considered analysis. Care to walk me through your minimax of the various tradeoffs that went into my design, including the janky custom software I'll run on it?

by _jal 9y ago

Great timing for me. Just got the last of the parts in to build a network audio player, waiting for the weekend to start on it. I'll use this instead of Raspian.

freedomben 9y ago

Why do you want to use sysvinit over systemd? Do you have init scripts already written that you don't want to port?

frankharv 9y ago
Well binary logs seem to be a good enough reason for me. I use FreeBSD and Devuan feels like I am in control. Some commercial software won't work on FreeBSD so I have to use some Linux. I also use Alpine because it uses OpenRC. With gLibc missing it is tough to compile some software. Compared, Devuan seems to be very software compatible and offers the familiarity of Debian. Over at FreeBSD we have loads of new users thanks to systemd. Keep up the great work RedHat.
- iforgotpassword 9y ago
  That's why I have a wildcard redirect to rsyslogd, the journal is pretty much mirrored in text form in /var/log. I still think systemd is by far the best init system around. Service files are a trillion times cleaner, easier to understand and maintain than those bloated 90% copy and past init scripts with the retarded archaic run level concept. Really, if I had a reasonable amount of free time left I'd start something like systemd lite which is just the init part and none of the other bullshit. You could already just use that part but there is still quite a bit of crap around that could just be removed.
  - JdeBP 9y ago
    You need to learn about uselessd. And you need to stop committing the fallacy of allowing for only two systems in the world, systemd and van Smoorenburg init+rc. This fallacy was called out by the author of uselessd. * http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ProSystemdAntiSystemd/ http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ProSystemdAntiSystemd/ * http://jdebp.eu./FGA/run-scripts-and-service-units-side-by-side.html http://jdebp.eu./FGA/run-scripts-and-service-units-side-by-s...
- gsich 9y ago
  I hear the binary logging argument very often. What is bad with it? Is the format not specified? Maybe it is more efficient to log this way. Often it comes down to "it's not text, which I don't like, ergo binary is bad".
_jal 9y ago
Several reasons, the largest of which is that I dislike systemd. I'm not going to rehash the arguments that have been had thousands of times, just put me in 'that' bucket. Other reasons include that I like to support alternate distros, I'm curious as to how they've done with it so far, and this is a low-resource device so I don't want unnecessary junk like journald wasting cycles.

newnewpdro 9y ago

While I think it's great you have the option, it doesn't strike me as the best choice.

_jal 9y ago
Thanks for sharing your carefully considered analysis. Care to walk me through your minimax of the various tradeoffs that went into my design, including the janky custom software I'll run on it?