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Don't they pay about as much as the male dominated jobs? brickmason, drywall installation, crane operator, roofer, etc All of these jobs have 95%+ males. I ca

by leshow 8y ago

Don't they pay about as much as the male dominated jobs? brickmason, drywall installation, crane operator, roofer, etc All of these jobs have 95%+ males. I can't imagine they pay very well. That's genuinely a question, not trying to be smart. It seems to me like jobs on both ends of the spectrum might not pay the best.

crankylinuxuser 8y ago
Stonemason - $42,370 - https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472022.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472022.htm Drywall/Ceiling tile installer - $49,250 - https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472081.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472081.htm Crane and Tower Operators - $55,690 - https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes537021.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes537021.htm LPN - $45,030 - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/licensed-practical-and-licensed-vocational-nurses.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/licensed-practical-and-li... !Requires licensure Social Worker - $47,980 - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/community-and-social-service/social-workers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/community-and-social-service/social-... !Likely requires graduate degree Preschool Teachers - $28,990 - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/education-training-and-library/preschool-teachers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/education-training-and-library/presc... Home Health Aides - $23,130 - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/home-health-aides-and-personal-care-aides.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/home-health-aides-and-per... ---------------------------- Long story short, the trades (AKA: jobs that primarily men do) requires a time of apprenticeship, then you can work. Whereas the "women majority" jobs all pay around 45-50k and they require advanced degrees or state licensure. The nonlicensed primarily-women based jobs pay around 20-30k.
- stcredzero 8y ago
  So for women-dominated jobs, it's get a degree, get 20k more a year. No wonder women are getting more degrees! (What's more, this would seem to indicate that class disparities might be increasing more for females than for males. Maybe this explains the vehemence of radicalized females.)
- leshow 8y ago
  There's not really a huge variation in pay there. But all the same, why do you think we don't see discussion about striving for equality in these other male dominated positions?
- geebee 8y ago
  You did leave out nursing. https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/registered-nurse/salary https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/registered-nurse/... Interestingly, nursing salaries are very high in San Francisco - avg salary is $136,610 a year. This is for registered nurses. Software developers make more money on average than nurses https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/software-developer/salary https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/software-develope... However, interestingly, in top paying cities, the BLS data (which this is based on) has them earning a bit less than registered nurses, though I'm not sure if this includes variable pay. There are a lot of factors here that prevent an apples-to-apples comparison. Anyone can declare him or herself to be a software developer, whereas it is illegal to do this if you're a registered nurse without formal credentials (actually, take a look at most "top jobs" and you'll find software developer is somewhat rare in that it requires no formal credential). At the same time, people with advanced degrees in nursing typically earn more than registered nurses and don't show up in the stats, whereas people with grad degrees in STEM fields may hold the title "software developer". Nursing is also a tough field, but I do think there is more job stability and less age discrimination. Overall, there's plenty to recommend it. A programmer myself, I'd be very happy if my son or daughter expressed a greater interest in nursing than programming, though I certainly wouldn't discourage them in either case. One thing that I always feel strange about here is that I don't consider software development to be as attractive as many people here do... that may not be a coincidence. The images in this essay may explain why - even the positive one, that shows a better than average breakdown at google, doesn't contain anyone near my age (how many people in that picture do you think need to leave by 5pm to pick their kids up from daycare?). My life experience has taught the value of longevity in a career choice, and software has some really serious shortcomings.

by leshow 8y ago

crankylinuxuser 8y ago

Stonemason - $42,370 - https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472022.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472022.htm Drywall/Ceiling tile installer - $49,250 - https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472081.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472081.htm Crane and Tower Operators - $55,690 - https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes537021.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes537021.htm LPN - $45,030 - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/licensed-practical-and-licensed-vocational-nurses.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/licensed-practical-and-li... !Requires licensure Social Worker - $47,980 - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/community-and-social-service/social-workers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/community-and-social-service/social-... !Likely requires graduate degree Preschool Teachers - $28,990 - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/education-training-and-library/preschool-teachers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/education-training-and-library/presc... Home Health Aides - $23,130 - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/home-health-aides-and-personal-care-aides.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/home-health-aides-and-per... ---------------------------- Long story short, the trades (AKA: jobs that primarily men do) requires a time of apprenticeship, then you can work. Whereas the "women majority" jobs all pay around 45-50k and they require advanced degrees or state licensure. The nonlicensed primarily-women based jobs pay around 20-30k.

stcredzero 8y ago
So for women-dominated jobs, it's get a degree, get 20k more a year. No wonder women are getting more degrees! (What's more, this would seem to indicate that class disparities might be increasing more for females than for males. Maybe this explains the vehemence of radicalized females.)
leshow 8y ago
There's not really a huge variation in pay there. But all the same, why do you think we don't see discussion about striving for equality in these other male dominated positions?
geebee 8y ago
You did leave out nursing. https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/registered-nurse/salary https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/registered-nurse/... Interestingly, nursing salaries are very high in San Francisco - avg salary is $136,610 a year. This is for registered nurses. Software developers make more money on average than nurses https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/software-developer/salary https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/software-develope... However, interestingly, in top paying cities, the BLS data (which this is based on) has them earning a bit less than registered nurses, though I'm not sure if this includes variable pay. There are a lot of factors here that prevent an apples-to-apples comparison. Anyone can declare him or herself to be a software developer, whereas it is illegal to do this if you're a registered nurse without formal credentials (actually, take a look at most "top jobs" and you'll find software developer is somewhat rare in that it requires no formal credential). At the same time, people with advanced degrees in nursing typically earn more than registered nurses and don't show up in the stats, whereas people with grad degrees in STEM fields may hold the title "software developer". Nursing is also a tough field, but I do think there is more job stability and less age discrimination. Overall, there's plenty to recommend it. A programmer myself, I'd be very happy if my son or daughter expressed a greater interest in nursing than programming, though I certainly wouldn't discourage them in either case. One thing that I always feel strange about here is that I don't consider software development to be as attractive as many people here do... that may not be a coincidence. The images in this essay may explain why - even the positive one, that shows a better than average breakdown at google, doesn't contain anyone near my age (how many people in that picture do you think need to leave by 5pm to pick their kids up from daycare?). My life experience has taught the value of longevity in a career choice, and software has some really serious shortcomings.