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> Compared to almost any other industry, women are underrepresented in technology. Except for the many industries where women dominate like: Preschool and kin

by cde-v 8y ago

> Compared to almost any other industry, women are underrepresented in technology. Except for the many industries where women dominate like: Preschool and kindergarten education Nursing Accounting Social Work Psychology

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Zarath 8y ago
Your quote agrees with you. Women are underrepresented in tech compared to other industries.
- klipt 8y ago
  I think the point is there are only so many women to go around, so to have more women in tech we need to pull women out of fields where they are overrepresented like nursing, teaching etc. Maximum diversity is not "100% women in every field". It's 50% women in every field. Women should be underrepresented relative to nursing, because they're vastly overrepresented in nursing.
  - troupe 8y ago
    Good point. If we feel we need to "fix" the number of women in CS, we also need to "fix" the number of women in nursing, accounting, education, etc.
crankylinuxuser 8y ago
Note the pay on those careers. "Women's Careers" pay significantly less. And they're all 'emotional' and 'soft skill' jobs. That's a problem. Edit: So, at -3 currently. Is the -1's a "disagree" or "stfu"? Please state where I am wrong.
- quickthrower2 8y ago
  Why these jobs pay less? That is capitalism at work. Tech jobs are now essential to maintain competitive edge and keep the big profits going at companies, and they want to bid up to get good talent. Even small barely surviving companies have to pay good $ to get developers etc. because of the market forces. OTOH lets take a daycare teacher. They are being paid ultimately from the money average people have left over having worked, paid their tax, mortgage, bills, food etc, given it to another company who has paid their overheads and finally paid the teacher their salary. (Forgetting government subsidies - but still...) There is no way this can be a large amount of money (unless you have 1 teacher to 30 kids, but then there are safety issues).
  - eli 8y ago
    The market is not a meritocracy.
    - quickthrower2 8y ago
      Yes. I hope I didn't imply I like or condone the situation I described. I'm just the messenger.
- leshow 8y ago
  Don't they pay about as much as the male dominated jobs? brickmason, drywall installation, crane operator, roofer, etc All of these jobs have 95%+ males. I can't imagine they pay very well. That's genuinely a question, not trying to be smart. It seems to me like jobs on both ends of the spectrum might not pay the best.
  - crankylinuxuser 8y ago
    Stonemason - $42,370 - https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472022.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472022.htm Drywall/Ceiling tile installer - $49,250 - https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472081.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472081.htm Crane and Tower Operators - $55,690 - https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes537021.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes537021.htm LPN - $45,030 - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/licensed-practical-and-licensed-vocational-nurses.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/licensed-practical-and-li... !Requires licensure Social Worker - $47,980 - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/community-and-social-service/social-workers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/community-and-social-service/social-... !Likely requires graduate degree Preschool Teachers - $28,990 - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/education-training-and-library/preschool-teachers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/education-training-and-library/presc... Home Health Aides - $23,130 - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/home-health-aides-and-personal-care-aides.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/home-health-aides-and-per... ---------------------------- Long story short, the trades (AKA: jobs that primarily men do) requires a time of apprenticeship, then you can work. Whereas the "women majority" jobs all pay around 45-50k and they require advanced degrees or state licensure. The nonlicensed primarily-women based jobs pay around 20-30k.
    - stcredzero 8y ago
      So for women-dominated jobs, it's get a degree, get 20k more a year. No wonder women are getting more degrees! (What's more, this would seem to indicate that class disparities might be increasing more for females than for males. Maybe this explains the vehemence of radicalized females.)
    - leshow 8y ago
      There's not really a huge variation in pay there. But all the same, why do you think we don't see discussion about striving for equality in these other male dominated positions?

by cde-v 8y ago

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Zarath 8y ago

Your quote agrees with you. Women are underrepresented in tech compared to other industries.

klipt 8y ago
I think the point is there are only so many women to go around, so to have more women in tech we need to pull women out of fields where they are overrepresented like nursing, teaching etc. Maximum diversity is not "100% women in every field". It's 50% women in every field. Women should be underrepresented relative to nursing, because they're vastly overrepresented in nursing.
- troupe 8y ago
  Good point. If we feel we need to "fix" the number of women in CS, we also need to "fix" the number of women in nursing, accounting, education, etc.

crankylinuxuser 8y ago

Note the pay on those careers. "Women's Careers" pay significantly less. And they're all 'emotional' and 'soft skill' jobs. That's a problem. Edit: So, at -3 currently. Is the -1's a "disagree" or "stfu"? Please state where I am wrong.

quickthrower2 8y ago
Why these jobs pay less? That is capitalism at work. Tech jobs are now essential to maintain competitive edge and keep the big profits going at companies, and they want to bid up to get good talent. Even small barely surviving companies have to pay good $ to get developers etc. because of the market forces. OTOH lets take a daycare teacher. They are being paid ultimately from the money average people have left over having worked, paid their tax, mortgage, bills, food etc, given it to another company who has paid their overheads and finally paid the teacher their salary. (Forgetting government subsidies - but still...) There is no way this can be a large amount of money (unless you have 1 teacher to 30 kids, but then there are safety issues).
- eli 8y ago
  The market is not a meritocracy.
  - quickthrower2 8y ago
    Yes. I hope I didn't imply I like or condone the situation I described. I'm just the messenger.
leshow 8y ago
Don't they pay about as much as the male dominated jobs? brickmason, drywall installation, crane operator, roofer, etc All of these jobs have 95%+ males. I can't imagine they pay very well. That's genuinely a question, not trying to be smart. It seems to me like jobs on both ends of the spectrum might not pay the best.
- crankylinuxuser 8y ago
  Stonemason - $42,370 - https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472022.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472022.htm Drywall/Ceiling tile installer - $49,250 - https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472081.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472081.htm Crane and Tower Operators - $55,690 - https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes537021.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes537021.htm LPN - $45,030 - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/licensed-practical-and-licensed-vocational-nurses.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/licensed-practical-and-li... !Requires licensure Social Worker - $47,980 - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/community-and-social-service/social-workers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/community-and-social-service/social-... !Likely requires graduate degree Preschool Teachers - $28,990 - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/education-training-and-library/preschool-teachers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/education-training-and-library/presc... Home Health Aides - $23,130 - https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/home-health-aides-and-personal-care-aides.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/home-health-aides-and-per... ---------------------------- Long story short, the trades (AKA: jobs that primarily men do) requires a time of apprenticeship, then you can work. Whereas the "women majority" jobs all pay around 45-50k and they require advanced degrees or state licensure. The nonlicensed primarily-women based jobs pay around 20-30k.
  - stcredzero 8y ago
    So for women-dominated jobs, it's get a degree, get 20k more a year. No wonder women are getting more degrees! (What's more, this would seem to indicate that class disparities might be increasing more for females than for males. Maybe this explains the vehemence of radicalized females.)
  - leshow 8y ago
    There's not really a huge variation in pay there. But all the same, why do you think we don't see discussion about striving for equality in these other male dominated positions?