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Also notice that even though she had the option, she didn't approach anyone to try an secure a lab partner. She posted her own position opening and waited until

Also notice that even though she had the option, she didn't approach anyone to try an secure a lab partner. She posted her own position opening and waited until all spots were taken. She could very well have clicked on anyones post and that would have been the end of it.

as1mov 8y ago
This seems to be a common symptom in most of these 'women-in-tech' articles. Each one of them has advice for men who are in the industry, but never for any women trying to get into it.
- peoplewindow 8y ago
  Because the idea that gender disparities are due to the choices men and women make is some sort of ideologically impure heretical thought, for some reason. If it's not to do with oppression/awful men then where's the fun? Where's the virtue in fighting for it?
- jandrese 8y ago
  Or if you generalize it all the way, the advice is "men should be more like women" but never "women should be more like men".
Jach 8y ago
Yeah, this is what bugs me with the advice to "Go befriend a girl". How about they come and befriend me? Like with dating, there's the expectation that the men need to make the first move. (Whatever, it's not necessarily a bad expectation, but when it's implicit like this I'm not always sure it was intentional...) Of course in the friend case I think it's more of a function of your local environment than anything else. At the same company I've experienced a large difference in the local atmosphere between the Seattle and Vancouver offices, the Vancouver office was quite a bit more welcoming and more people would randomly introduce themselves.
- TACIXAT 8y ago
  It's hard as hell to befriend anyone. I probably have superficial conversations with 100 people before I find someone I connect with on a friendship level. I don't know if it is because people in this industry (myself included) mostly talk about work or the technical problems we're interested in. In my experience though, it's so rare that people open up personally to each other. I don't have any meaningful commentary on the gender stuff, just been thinking about making friends a lot recently.
jenthoven 8y ago
[This is Julia, the OC] I agree, and have many times thought back to why I didn't feel comfortable just claiming a partner for the project. I remember I was doing something else and happened to notice that a few people had posted and been claimed, and that made me insecure, wondering why no one had claimed me. I think it's more natural to work closely with someone of your same gender, at least when they're a stranger. I'm not blaming men (or women) for that - I'm just describing how that can lead to unintentional exclusion, which is particularly painful for students who values inclusion a lot.

as1mov 8y ago

This seems to be a common symptom in most of these 'women-in-tech' articles. Each one of them has advice for men who are in the industry, but never for any women trying to get into it.

peoplewindow 8y ago
Because the idea that gender disparities are due to the choices men and women make is some sort of ideologically impure heretical thought, for some reason. If it's not to do with oppression/awful men then where's the fun? Where's the virtue in fighting for it?
jandrese 8y ago
Or if you generalize it all the way, the advice is "men should be more like women" but never "women should be more like men".

Jach 8y ago

Yeah, this is what bugs me with the advice to "Go befriend a girl". How about they come and befriend me? Like with dating, there's the expectation that the men need to make the first move. (Whatever, it's not necessarily a bad expectation, but when it's implicit like this I'm not always sure it was intentional...) Of course in the friend case I think it's more of a function of your local environment than anything else. At the same company I've experienced a large difference in the local atmosphere between the Seattle and Vancouver offices, the Vancouver office was quite a bit more welcoming and more people would randomly introduce themselves.

TACIXAT 8y ago
It's hard as hell to befriend anyone. I probably have superficial conversations with 100 people before I find someone I connect with on a friendship level. I don't know if it is because people in this industry (myself included) mostly talk about work or the technical problems we're interested in. In my experience though, it's so rare that people open up personally to each other. I don't have any meaningful commentary on the gender stuff, just been thinking about making friends a lot recently.

jenthoven 8y ago

[This is Julia, the OC] I agree, and have many times thought back to why I didn't feel comfortable just claiming a partner for the project. I remember I was doing something else and happened to notice that a few people had posted and been claimed, and that made me insecure, wondering why no one had claimed me. I think it's more natural to work closely with someone of your same gender, at least when they're a stranger. I'm not blaming men (or women) for that - I'm just describing how that can lead to unintentional exclusion, which is particularly painful for students who values inclusion a lot.