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Why do people care about high schoolers getting addicted to this? Is it the money they'll waste, that they might shorten their lifespan by a couple of years, o

Why do people care about high schoolers getting addicted to this? Is it the money they'll waste, that they might shorten their lifespan by a couple of years, or just because they'll be addicted? You could say the same things about Coffee, Video Games, or TV. There's so much to be addicted to and so little time. At the same time it helps adults that are already addicted to cigarettes extend their life span, save money, and maybe become less addicted. I fail to see an issue.

wmeredith 8y ago
Why do you care about helping adults addicted to cigarettes but not high schoolers addicted to vaping? It's a remarkable cognitive dissonance in your statement.
- thebigspacefuck 8y ago
  Maybe because cigarettes cause cancer? I personally don't care if people smoke or not. I'm only saying there's little downside to vaping period and from a smoker's perspective, it's helpful.
Regardsyjc 8y ago
One because it is illegal. Nicotine smoking age is 21 in the USA. I might be wrong but I am pretty sure that nicotine is way more addictive than coffee, TV, or video games and the problem is that teenagers are already addicted. “You fall asleep with your Juul under your pillow,” my other friend said. “With Juul, the pattern of use isn’t kids having a cherry vape every now and then,” he said. “It’s kids sneaking off to the bathroom, kids vaping consistently throughout the day.”
- sli 8y ago
  > Nicotine smoking age is 21 in the USA. That is not true. The federal smoking age is 18, and many states do not have a minimum smoking age set at all, only a minimum purchase age.[0] This means they simply defer to federal law. Some states made 21 the purchase age, but it is not federally mandated. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_age#Americas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_age#Americas
- thebigspacefuck 8y ago
  Cigarettes are more addictive than nicotine by itself. [1](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/health/news/article.cfm?c_id=204&objectid=11143719 https://www.nzherald.co.nz/health/news/article.cfm?c_id=204&...) As far as the relevant quotes go, you could say the same thing about smart phones. “You fall asleep with your phone under your pillow,” my other friend said. “With smartphones, the pattern of use isn’t kids having a peek at their phone every now and then,” he said. “It’s kids sneaking off to the bathroom, kids looking at their phones consistently throughout the day.” Believable, huh? Nicotine improves mood, focus, concentration, and short-term memory [2](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20414766 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20414766). Smart phones, on the other hand, reduce available cognitive capacity, just by being around [3](https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdfplus/10.1086/691462 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdfplus/10.1086/691462). Maybe teens are self-medicating for the attention deficit their smart phones are causing. Would you rather have them on amphetamines?
skate22 8y ago
Vapes were becoming pretty common close to my HS graduation. Some of my friends would vape trying to quit smoking. Middle schoolers who were not smokers saw this and thought it was cool. Now the school had an issue where middle schoolers were vaping during class and becoming addicted purely because it looked cool.
steiger 8y ago
As a on and off tobacco addict with an addiction-prone brain/personality: Unlike coffee, video games, etc, tobacco addiction is terrible and you can really feel your health declining over a decade and more. It's not so much about dying 10 years earlier that's worrisome, it's about not having much quality of life. As to being addicted to nicotine itself and consume it in the form of vapour: much less worrisome. Still, it's not great: withdrawal feels awful and is psychologically debilitating. As to being addicted to nicotine as a high schooler: this is quite bad because the brain is still in heavy development and drug habits picked up in this timeframe tend to stay with you forever. Quite a compromise.
- thebigspacefuck 8y ago
  I'm familiar with nicotine addiction. I dipped and smoked a pack a day for 3 years starting as a 16 year old, quit for 5 years, vaped for 2 years, and quit again. That was probably 2 years ago. There are positive effects but it was annoying to need it so I quit. Excessive internet usage, pornography, video games, and coffee have been overall worse for my quality of life than tobacco or nicotine in it's various forms. I did pretty much every category of drug in that time range of 16 - 19 and feel no carryover of habits.
csomar 8y ago
At a certain age, you are vulnerable. You have to be protected. Either by your parents (close) or the government (through laws). Once you grow up, most people can navigate on their own. You are then allowed to take risks because you are better at calculating. If you don't, you get eliminated but that's life right? When you are young you'll always get eliminated because you are too vulnerable. There is a reason animals don't leave their babies and carry their journeys.
- buvanshak 8y ago
  >At a certain age, you are vulnerable.. I think if you are in high school, then you should be out of that zone.. > If you don't, you get eliminated but that's life right? Exactly my point To add to this. I think it is a fallacy that adults are better at "calculating" and is not as vulnerable. But I think this is just an image projected so that adults can be exploited in various ways while still being oblivious to their vulnerabilities... For example, doctors think they are not influenced by ads and promotions. People here in HN/Reddit think they are above/not vulnerable to propaganda and is not actually as much vulnerable as the uneducated plebs they sympathise for being vulnerable and manipulated....

wmeredith 8y ago

Why do you care about helping adults addicted to cigarettes but not high schoolers addicted to vaping? It's a remarkable cognitive dissonance in your statement.

thebigspacefuck 8y ago
Maybe because cigarettes cause cancer? I personally don't care if people smoke or not. I'm only saying there's little downside to vaping period and from a smoker's perspective, it's helpful.

Regardsyjc 8y ago

One because it is illegal. Nicotine smoking age is 21 in the USA. I might be wrong but I am pretty sure that nicotine is way more addictive than coffee, TV, or video games and the problem is that teenagers are already addicted. “You fall asleep with your Juul under your pillow,” my other friend said. “With Juul, the pattern of use isn’t kids having a cherry vape every now and then,” he said. “It’s kids sneaking off to the bathroom, kids vaping consistently throughout the day.”

sli 8y ago
> Nicotine smoking age is 21 in the USA. That is not true. The federal smoking age is 18, and many states do not have a minimum smoking age set at all, only a minimum purchase age.[0] This means they simply defer to federal law. Some states made 21 the purchase age, but it is not federally mandated. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_age#Americas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_age#Americas
thebigspacefuck 8y ago
Cigarettes are more addictive than nicotine by itself. [1](https://www.nzherald.co.nz/health/news/article.cfm?c_id=204&objectid=11143719 https://www.nzherald.co.nz/health/news/article.cfm?c_id=204&...) As far as the relevant quotes go, you could say the same thing about smart phones. “You fall asleep with your phone under your pillow,” my other friend said. “With smartphones, the pattern of use isn’t kids having a peek at their phone every now and then,” he said. “It’s kids sneaking off to the bathroom, kids looking at their phones consistently throughout the day.” Believable, huh? Nicotine improves mood, focus, concentration, and short-term memory [2](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20414766 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20414766). Smart phones, on the other hand, reduce available cognitive capacity, just by being around [3](https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdfplus/10.1086/691462 https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdfplus/10.1086/691462). Maybe teens are self-medicating for the attention deficit their smart phones are causing. Would you rather have them on amphetamines?

skate22 8y ago

Vapes were becoming pretty common close to my HS graduation. Some of my friends would vape trying to quit smoking. Middle schoolers who were not smokers saw this and thought it was cool. Now the school had an issue where middle schoolers were vaping during class and becoming addicted purely because it looked cool.

steiger 8y ago

As a on and off tobacco addict with an addiction-prone brain/personality: Unlike coffee, video games, etc, tobacco addiction is terrible and you can really feel your health declining over a decade and more. It's not so much about dying 10 years earlier that's worrisome, it's about not having much quality of life. As to being addicted to nicotine itself and consume it in the form of vapour: much less worrisome. Still, it's not great: withdrawal feels awful and is psychologically debilitating. As to being addicted to nicotine as a high schooler: this is quite bad because the brain is still in heavy development and drug habits picked up in this timeframe tend to stay with you forever. Quite a compromise.

thebigspacefuck 8y ago
I'm familiar with nicotine addiction. I dipped and smoked a pack a day for 3 years starting as a 16 year old, quit for 5 years, vaped for 2 years, and quit again. That was probably 2 years ago. There are positive effects but it was annoying to need it so I quit. Excessive internet usage, pornography, video games, and coffee have been overall worse for my quality of life than tobacco or nicotine in it's various forms. I did pretty much every category of drug in that time range of 16 - 19 and feel no carryover of habits.

csomar 8y ago

At a certain age, you are vulnerable. You have to be protected. Either by your parents (close) or the government (through laws). Once you grow up, most people can navigate on their own. You are then allowed to take risks because you are better at calculating. If you don't, you get eliminated but that's life right? When you are young you'll always get eliminated because you are too vulnerable. There is a reason animals don't leave their babies and carry their journeys.

buvanshak 8y ago
>At a certain age, you are vulnerable.. I think if you are in high school, then you should be out of that zone.. > If you don't, you get eliminated but that's life right? Exactly my point To add to this. I think it is a fallacy that adults are better at "calculating" and is not as vulnerable. But I think this is just an image projected so that adults can be exploited in various ways while still being oblivious to their vulnerabilities... For example, doctors think they are not influenced by ads and promotions. People here in HN/Reddit think they are above/not vulnerable to propaganda and is not actually as much vulnerable as the uneducated plebs they sympathise for being vulnerable and manipulated....