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It's not a location dependent core belief. The Chinese laws make it this way. Apple is not a sovereign government with the right to do as they please. They oper

by 0xCMP 8y ago

It's not a location dependent core belief. The Chinese laws make it this way. Apple is not a sovereign government with the right to do as they please. They operate in the rules and under the same threat of force everyone else does in every nation they operate. That we live in an area of the world where you can choose to make the decisions they do without serious repercussions should make you pause and think about how important the checks we have are, because in China there aren't many ways to get around the problem above besides ignoring the largest developing market in the world.

notyourday 8y ago
Of course it is a location dependent core belief. And, as I have pointed out above, it is perfectly ok to have a location dependent core belief as long as we stop pretending it is not. Apple wants Chinese market and it wants Chinese labor. If to do that it needs to sacrifice its principals, it is willing to do so. IBM did that before with Nazi Germany. Other companies did it before with South Africa. P.S. It is very amusing to watch the blind apple fanboi-sm on HN.
- millstone 8y ago
  Apple's #1 principle is to make the best product in the market. That's what they've done: the alternatives to iPhones in China are much worse in terms of privacy. Apple would not be helping anyone by going to the mat on this.
  - notyourday 8y ago
    You should try to substitute Apple for IBM, iPhones for tabulation machines and China for Nazi Germany. It would be a fine mental exercise just to see not how far Apple fans would be willing to go to justify Apple's behavior but to see what kind of mental gymnastics they would be willing to do just to avoid saying "Apple will sell its users if it means keeping/gaining the market"
    - millstone 8y ago
      What a bunch of crap. When I visited China, my iPhone was the thing that worked. I was able to use e.g. Apple Maps, iMessage without having to install spyware like WeChat. If I were Chinese, I would get an iPhone and disable iCloud Backup. Yes it sucks that I'd have to do that, but it's way better than having spyware built into the firmware like domestic OEMs do (Huawei, etc.). It's good for privacy that Apple remains an option in China.

by 0xCMP 8y ago

notyourday 8y ago

Of course it is a location dependent core belief. And, as I have pointed out above, it is perfectly ok to have a location dependent core belief as long as we stop pretending it is not. Apple wants Chinese market and it wants Chinese labor. If to do that it needs to sacrifice its principals, it is willing to do so. IBM did that before with Nazi Germany. Other companies did it before with South Africa. P.S. It is very amusing to watch the blind apple fanboi-sm on HN.

millstone 8y ago
Apple's #1 principle is to make the best product in the market. That's what they've done: the alternatives to iPhones in China are much worse in terms of privacy. Apple would not be helping anyone by going to the mat on this.
- notyourday 8y ago
  You should try to substitute Apple for IBM, iPhones for tabulation machines and China for Nazi Germany. It would be a fine mental exercise just to see not how far Apple fans would be willing to go to justify Apple's behavior but to see what kind of mental gymnastics they would be willing to do just to avoid saying "Apple will sell its users if it means keeping/gaining the market"
  - millstone 8y ago
    What a bunch of crap. When I visited China, my iPhone was the thing that worked. I was able to use e.g. Apple Maps, iMessage without having to install spyware like WeChat. If I were Chinese, I would get an iPhone and disable iCloud Backup. Yes it sucks that I'd have to do that, but it's way better than having spyware built into the firmware like domestic OEMs do (Huawei, etc.). It's good for privacy that Apple remains an option in China.