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> Hasn’t happened yet... will it? Can it? Nope. XML (or Json, etc.) are just "human-readable" presentation of data. It does not provides any semantic whatsoeve

by xroche 8y ago

> Hasn’t happened yet... will it? Can it? Nope. XML (or Json, etc.) are just "human-readable" presentation of data. It does not provides any semantic whatsoever. So you need some semantic on top of these data. And a general-purpose, universal API is yet to be invented (hint: it is probably not feasible)

sitepodmatt 8y ago
Microsoft and others enterprise selling vendors loved the end goal back in early 2000s - the universal API solved by middleware. That's why you had Biztalk and Biztalk consultants that made more than SAP consultants (think todays crazy Salesfarce consultants that compete for gamification badges). For example you could be a small insurance company submitting to a larger underwriter, and when you work out the transactions per month you have to take $5 off each app just to pay for biztalk infrastructure and licensing. People rode that gravy train hard. I'd be surprise if any of the biztalk shit still remained though, grand goals means juice enterprise sales. Oracle had a similarly crap product that was equally slow, painful and verbose, can't recall the name. XML and it's lofty goals beyond what it was can be compared to today's ICO toxic industry, no reflection on XML itself though.
- robterrell 8y ago
  In the 80's, it was EDI -- electronic data interchange, a set of schemes for sending binary formatted business data, like invoices and POs.
  - killjoywashere 8y ago
    Don't forget HL7
- cjonas 8y ago
  The "badges" are not won in competions, but instead watered down tutorial gold stars. Instead of targeting real programmers Salesforce built "trailhead" for John in finance who wrote some Excel macro and decided he should become a Salesforce "developer". Thats why the small percentage of us consultants who actually come from a cs background can charge so much.
  - sitepodmatt 8y ago
    I think I agree with your sentiment, but I'd think you'd be surprised how much a click next salesfarce developer charges...
asdgionui 8y ago
Of course it's feasible. It's called English!
- Piskvorrr 8y ago
  Quoi? ("...fetchez la vache!!!")

by xroche 8y ago

sitepodmatt 8y ago

Microsoft and others enterprise selling vendors loved the end goal back in early 2000s - the universal API solved by middleware. That's why you had Biztalk and Biztalk consultants that made more than SAP consultants (think todays crazy Salesfarce consultants that compete for gamification badges). For example you could be a small insurance company submitting to a larger underwriter, and when you work out the transactions per month you have to take $5 off each app just to pay for biztalk infrastructure and licensing. People rode that gravy train hard. I'd be surprise if any of the biztalk shit still remained though, grand goals means juice enterprise sales. Oracle had a similarly crap product that was equally slow, painful and verbose, can't recall the name. XML and it's lofty goals beyond what it was can be compared to today's ICO toxic industry, no reflection on XML itself though.

robterrell 8y ago
In the 80's, it was EDI -- electronic data interchange, a set of schemes for sending binary formatted business data, like invoices and POs.
- killjoywashere 8y ago
  Don't forget HL7
cjonas 8y ago
The "badges" are not won in competions, but instead watered down tutorial gold stars. Instead of targeting real programmers Salesforce built "trailhead" for John in finance who wrote some Excel macro and decided he should become a Salesforce "developer". Thats why the small percentage of us consultants who actually come from a cs background can charge so much.
- sitepodmatt 8y ago
  I think I agree with your sentiment, but I'd think you'd be surprised how much a click next salesfarce developer charges...

asdgionui 8y ago

Of course it's feasible. It's called English!

Piskvorrr 8y ago
Quoi? ("...fetchez la vache!!!")