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help you remember to get to sleep at the time you want On one side I think this is great, on the other side: I'm not sure what to think of needing to be remind

by stinos 8y ago

help you remember to get to sleep at the time you want On one side I think this is great, on the other side: I'm not sure what to think of needing to be reminded when to go to sleep. It seems kind of wrong if one needs to be actively reminded of something as simple and straightforward as that.

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entropie 8y ago
It really depends on your lifestyle. I think i have a very healty sleep system where i basicially follow no rules. I sleep when I really get tired and wake/stay up when i want. My last sleep cycle was 11 1/2 hours, because a day before i only got like 90minutes (thats not common for me, but happens - usually i sleep more like 6 hours). That only works if you dont have a fixed day time job. Especially when i have appointments i sometimes really need to plan ahead and go to bed earlier so a reminder works.
- toyg 8y ago
  Just a reminder that research basically found that “catch up on sleep” doesn’t really work. Bodies are astonishing machines, capable of adapting to the most extreme conditions, but they do work better when they can repeat the same routines day after day. As a fellow 6-hour-sleeper, I think modern society makes it a bit hard for people like me. The reality is that my body wants to sleep in 3-hour cycles, and doesn’t really appreciate doing three cycles in a row, but it still wants to sleep about 8 or 9 hours out of 24. That would work fine in past ages: wake up early, tend to animals and fields, then have a mid-day nap - at a time when it’s too hot to work anyway (at least where my genes mostly come from). Then get back in the game, do social stuff, and be at peak awareness by dusk / early evening, when the danger of common violence gets higher. These days, when the dominant culture is clearly more “northern” in nature, one is still pushed to be an early riser, but to then do all work and social activity in a continuous chunk, no napping allowed. Because I sleep only 6 hours per night, after a few days I’ll be tired. The only option I have is to go to bed absurdly early, wake up after 6h, do some work in the middle of the night then go back to bed. That’s very antisocial in nature.
  - entropie 8y ago
    > Just a reminder that research basically found that “catch up on sleep” doesn’t really work Yeah, i dont do that. I just used to be the case I had a night of less sleep, a stress and eventful day and then a night with a long sleep phase. I dont try to catch up or anything. I just slept this without a break (My Gear sport recorded no interruptions and very few restless phases).
  - qplex 8y ago
    It's very interesting that you mention the culture be "northern" in nature. Mid-day nap culture is still very much alive in really hot countries, where it's practically impossible to work mid-day.
joncrane 8y ago
It's not so much to help you remember. We all know that if I wake up at 7 and I function best on 8 hours of sleep, that I have to be asleep by 11. But if I'm so engaged as to lose track of time, or simply undisciplined (just one more dose of political outrage/cute animal picture/epic fail schadenfreude on reddit!), the app closing down will help a lot.
polar 8y ago
> remembered I think you mean "reminded". Sorry, I don't mean to be rude.
- stinos 8y ago
  Fixed, thanks, and I don't regard pointing out grammatical errors as being rude anyway. I make too many mistakes already.
wpietri 8y ago
Definitely. We live in very artificial environments. When I spend a week camping, I don't need to be reminded, because it's really dark and there's been nothing exciting to do for a while. But at home, lights are bright and there are exciting things available at the push of a button. (Thanks to push notifications from things like the news and social media plus autoplay from video providers, they're often available without pushing a button at all.) A few years back I build an automated lighting system that is sort of like Night Mode for my house: https://github.com/wpietri/sunrise https://github.com/wpietri/sunrise I thought the valuable part would be waking up early without the stress of an alarm. But actually the best part has been the auto-dimming in the evening. My brain get the hint. Instead of staying up and hacking on something or binge-watching TV, I am very likely to turn in early enough that I now get plenty of sleep.

by stinos 8y ago

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entropie 8y ago

It really depends on your lifestyle. I think i have a very healty sleep system where i basicially follow no rules. I sleep when I really get tired and wake/stay up when i want. My last sleep cycle was 11 1/2 hours, because a day before i only got like 90minutes (thats not common for me, but happens - usually i sleep more like 6 hours). That only works if you dont have a fixed day time job. Especially when i have appointments i sometimes really need to plan ahead and go to bed earlier so a reminder works.

toyg 8y ago
Just a reminder that research basically found that “catch up on sleep” doesn’t really work. Bodies are astonishing machines, capable of adapting to the most extreme conditions, but they do work better when they can repeat the same routines day after day. As a fellow 6-hour-sleeper, I think modern society makes it a bit hard for people like me. The reality is that my body wants to sleep in 3-hour cycles, and doesn’t really appreciate doing three cycles in a row, but it still wants to sleep about 8 or 9 hours out of 24. That would work fine in past ages: wake up early, tend to animals and fields, then have a mid-day nap - at a time when it’s too hot to work anyway (at least where my genes mostly come from). Then get back in the game, do social stuff, and be at peak awareness by dusk / early evening, when the danger of common violence gets higher. These days, when the dominant culture is clearly more “northern” in nature, one is still pushed to be an early riser, but to then do all work and social activity in a continuous chunk, no napping allowed. Because I sleep only 6 hours per night, after a few days I’ll be tired. The only option I have is to go to bed absurdly early, wake up after 6h, do some work in the middle of the night then go back to bed. That’s very antisocial in nature.
- entropie 8y ago
  > Just a reminder that research basically found that “catch up on sleep” doesn’t really work Yeah, i dont do that. I just used to be the case I had a night of less sleep, a stress and eventful day and then a night with a long sleep phase. I dont try to catch up or anything. I just slept this without a break (My Gear sport recorded no interruptions and very few restless phases).
- qplex 8y ago
  It's very interesting that you mention the culture be "northern" in nature. Mid-day nap culture is still very much alive in really hot countries, where it's practically impossible to work mid-day.

joncrane 8y ago

It's not so much to help you remember. We all know that if I wake up at 7 and I function best on 8 hours of sleep, that I have to be asleep by 11. But if I'm so engaged as to lose track of time, or simply undisciplined (just one more dose of political outrage/cute animal picture/epic fail schadenfreude on reddit!), the app closing down will help a lot.

polar 8y ago

> remembered I think you mean "reminded". Sorry, I don't mean to be rude.

stinos 8y ago
Fixed, thanks, and I don't regard pointing out grammatical errors as being rude anyway. I make too many mistakes already.

wpietri 8y ago

Definitely. We live in very artificial environments. When I spend a week camping, I don't need to be reminded, because it's really dark and there's been nothing exciting to do for a while. But at home, lights are bright and there are exciting things available at the push of a button. (Thanks to push notifications from things like the news and social media plus autoplay from video providers, they're often available without pushing a button at all.) A few years back I build an automated lighting system that is sort of like Night Mode for my house: https://github.com/wpietri/sunrise https://github.com/wpietri/sunrise I thought the valuable part would be waking up early without the stress of an alarm. But actually the best part has been the auto-dimming in the evening. My brain get the hint. Instead of staying up and hacking on something or binge-watching TV, I am very likely to turn in early enough that I now get plenty of sleep.