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I dislike the idea of an electronic device to change its interaction patterns in non-deterministic ways.

by jhoechtl 8y ago

sizzle 8y ago
Can you give an example of this behavior, I'm having trouble understanding how to classify this. Thanks.
- gowld 8y ago
  Simple common example: I frequently share content to my spouse. One day, I share content to my parent. Next day, the order of users in the sharebox has changed, so my parent is in the spot my spouse used to be, so my muscle memory sends my parent a message meant for my spouse.
  - s_kilk 8y ago
    Plus, this gets a lot worse when that sharing to your parent was a mistake. Now you've got the 'wrong' order of elements in the UI, and every further mis-tap just reinforces the wrongness.
  - jclardy 8y ago
    Does that actually happen though? That seems to be a bad algorithm if the one exception becomes the norm after reinforcing the correct action many times. I use Siri's suggested apps all the time (pulling down spotlight search and they show up there.) Those are based on time/weekdate/location/usage data and are pretty accurate for me.
  - catach 8y ago
    That sounds deterministic (last used first shown) but also unpleasantly surprising given your particular use patterns.
    - 013a 8y ago
      Everything in this universe, short of quantum nuclear decay and atmospheric noise, is deterministic. AI is deterministic; we just often don't understand why the outputs it gives arise from the inputs. Similarly, a FIFO system for a share sheet is definitely deterministic, but that is immaterial to the question of whether it is predictable by its users. And that's what matters.
      - catach 8y ago
        Sure. And I'd say that for some other use patterns FIFO quickly becomes acceptably predictable, though not maximally. The tradeoff is that pressure to manually edit the list is greatly reduced. Which is also something that matters. My personal preference is for rock-solid spatial consistency plus manual fiddling, but I doubt that'd be best for the greatest number of people.

I dislike the idea of an electronic device to change its interaction patterns in non-deterministic ways.

sizzle 8y ago

Can you give an example of this behavior, I'm having trouble understanding how to classify this. Thanks.

gowld 8y ago
Simple common example: I frequently share content to my spouse. One day, I share content to my parent. Next day, the order of users in the sharebox has changed, so my parent is in the spot my spouse used to be, so my muscle memory sends my parent a message meant for my spouse.
- s_kilk 8y ago
  Plus, this gets a lot worse when that sharing to your parent was a mistake. Now you've got the 'wrong' order of elements in the UI, and every further mis-tap just reinforces the wrongness.
- jclardy 8y ago
  Does that actually happen though? That seems to be a bad algorithm if the one exception becomes the norm after reinforcing the correct action many times. I use Siri's suggested apps all the time (pulling down spotlight search and they show up there.) Those are based on time/weekdate/location/usage data and are pretty accurate for me.
- catach 8y ago
  That sounds deterministic (last used first shown) but also unpleasantly surprising given your particular use patterns.
  - 013a 8y ago
    Everything in this universe, short of quantum nuclear decay and atmospheric noise, is deterministic. AI is deterministic; we just often don't understand why the outputs it gives arise from the inputs. Similarly, a FIFO system for a share sheet is definitely deterministic, but that is immaterial to the question of whether it is predictable by its users. And that's what matters.
    - catach 8y ago
      Sure. And I'd say that for some other use patterns FIFO quickly becomes acceptably predictable, though not maximally. The tradeoff is that pressure to manually edit the list is greatly reduced. Which is also something that matters. My personal preference is for rock-solid spatial consistency plus manual fiddling, but I doubt that'd be best for the greatest number of people.