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A metal body is heavy, prone to dents and attenuates radio. Why are you so keen on having one? The X1 Carbon is lighter, tougher and more serviceable than a Mac
by willtim 8y ago
A metal body is heavy, prone to dents and attenuates radio. Why are you so keen on having one? The X1 Carbon is lighter, tougher and more serviceable than a MacBook Pro, in part because of a better choice of materials.
As for trackpads, Apple keep making them larger and larger, so a ThinkPad trackpad is no smaller than a MacBook from a few years ago. The keyboard is surely the primary concern.
- mattnewton 8y agoThe trackpad is also terrible compared to modern MacBooks aside from the size. It flexes, feels worse and does not reliably track gestures. The whole thing feels stuck a decade ago.
- grover_hartmann 8y ago> The whole thing feels stuck a decade ago. Says the macOS user... did you even get a newer version of bash yet? I heard even Debian stable has a newer bash version than macOS.
- AdamJacobMuller 8y ago`brew install bash` Software is trivial to upgrade and that's a very silly comparison to make.
- grover_hartmann 8y agoYes, FOSS saving a close source platform, what's news? You are completely missing the point, my point was that Apple is so bad of a company that they completely refuse to ship with GPLv3 software, they are nothing but a bunch of immoral fascists. Take take take, but never give anything back. The GNU project did everything right by moving to GPLv3. And last time I checked, brew doesn't work so well when you have multiples users on the same system.
- crispinb 8y ago> they are nothing but a bunch of immoral fascists. Yep. The Apple death count must be nearing that of WWII by now surely.
- grover_hartmann 8y agoIf you cannot see anything immoral in Apple, or if you're unable to see anything immoral/fascist beyond murder and WWII then I'm not sure you're ready to discuss this subject. I suggest you educate yourself on the matter, because judging by your comment, I can clearly see you're ignorant about the subject. https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-apple.html https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-apple.html
- crispinb 8y agoDid Lewis Carroll write you?
- pjmlp 8y agoActually it is FOSS saving FOSS developers using OS X as a Linux replacement for doing Linux development. OS X and iOS developers are pretty fine with the OS tooling.
- grover_hartmann 8y ago> OS X and iOS developers are pretty fine with the OS tooling. That's because they are "fine" with anything Apple does, I guess removing ports wasn't enough for them to see beyond their own stupidity. OS X developers have to be the dumbest of them all, if Apple tells them to jump off a bridge they probably would too. They are blind for a brand.
- pjmlp 8y agoBeing an UNIX is irrelevant for Apple related development, it is just a side effect of being based on NeXTSTEP, which also only used POSIX compatibility as an attempt to take business away from SGI and SUN. If you want UNIX development, without any regard for OS X and iOS, then go sponsor hardware vendors selling Linux and BSD based systems.
- pjmlp 8y agoBash is hardly relevant for actual Apple developers. There are no missing features that would prevent developing Swift and Objective-C applications.
- grover_hartmann 8y agoSure, because Swift and Objective-C applications is all that matters. /s This comment alone proves that Apple developers are a bunch of clueless idiots.
- pjmlp 8y agoNo, we just buy Apple hardware for doing Apple related development, not as a replacement for Linux to do Linux development. If you want to do that buy hardware from Linux vendors like Dell and System76.
- grover_hartmann 8y agoYou shouldn't buy from Apple, it's bad for your freedom. https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-apple.html https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-apple.html
- pjmlp 8y agoOn a past life, about 20 years ago, I was a FOSS zealot of the first GNU wave. Nowadays I use whatever makes business sense.
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- grover_hartmann 8y agoYes, because vendor lock-in and all the bad things that comes from Apple makes perfect business sense. /s
- willtim 8y agoModern MacBooks have absolutely terrible keyboards. So unless you use it like an iPad, you'd be better off with a ThinkPad.
- mattnewton 8y agoI want to agree with you, I want a Linux daily driver with the quality I am used to from the Mac. But I guess we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on the new mac keyboard being a dealbreaker.
- Koshkin 8y ago> A metal body is heavy You are thinking of cast iron, probably.
- thomastjeffery 8y agoAluminum is relatively heavy. Certainly heavier than plastic.
- nkristoffersen 8y agoAnd weight is relative to strength and dimensions in this conversation, right? Plastic starts to get pretty large to match strength of aluminum.
- willtim 8y agoModern plastic composites with carbon fiber / glass fibers can perform as well or better than metals with regard to strength-to-weight. Plastics also have many other properties that make it preferable for a laptop case. Apple have chosen aluminium to give the impression of build quality. The competition are too often judged by their plastic cases instead of other attributes, such as the lack of glued-in batteries and unreplaceable components.
- PhasmaFelis 8y ago> Apple have chosen aluminium to give the impression of build quality. My MBP is going on 6 years old and I have not been gentle with it. In fact I have dropped it on concrete multiple times. It is dented and scraped, the hinge is crooked. It still works perfectly. My previous, plastic laptop (also a Mac) had to have its shell replaced twice (under warranty) in less time than that. You may feel that aluminum is not worth the trade-offs or the cost, and that's fine, but I want to be clear, the MBP's build quality is not just a shiny facade.
- ericpauley 8y ago
- reacharavindh 8y agoThis. I don't buy MacBook Pro because it has Aluminium body, but because of the quality of the components inside, and how they integrate well with the OS. My dream computer would be - ThinkPad like casing. Light weight, yet durable. Not some cheap flimsy plastics. - XPS like thin bezel display, with Apple like screen with colour calibration. While at it, please give me a 16:10 or some other tall displays where I can have more vertical space. 16:9 is only good for media and it is a secondary use-case on my laptop. - Components with wider/open source drivers like intel wireless card instead of the Broadcom stuff. Some bluetooth module that has proper working Linux drivers. - Trackpad - Mac like smooth trackpad. It's been decades and nothing comes even close to what Apple could do. - Decent 12 hour real world battery life. I don't care if it makes the laptop slightly thicker or heavier - it is worth it. - Keyboard with a good bit of travel - Like a ThinkPad. - No Dongle life. Want USB-A, USB-C, HDMI, MiniDP, Full size SD card slot. So far, only MacBook pro (with VMs running Linux) comes closest with several compromises.
- rifung 8y ago> A metal body is heavy, prone to dents and attenuates radio. Why are you so keen on having one? I like how it feels and looks. Is that so wrong? I have used an X1 Carbon for the last year but when I can I will probably go back to the MBP for the trackpad. I guess different people just have different preferences? Let's be happy there's enough choices to hopefully satisfy everyone.
- willtim 8y agoYes choice is good. But my concern is that consumers start demanding metal bodies, zero-travel keys and touch-bars everywhere, because Apple, and choice will be reduced. For example, I can no longer buy a mobile phone that doesn't have a glued-in battery.
- salvar 8y agoAre you concerned that consumers start demanding what they want, because it's not what you want?
- majidazimi 8y agoat least for me, the answer is yes. I'm unsatisfied with almost all the options in laptop market based on my requirements. I just have to choose one, that makes me less unhappy. Asus and Lenovo have great ultra books running Win10. Ultimate Office 365 support + good battery life. But it lacks a terminal + integrated UNIX utilities. I prefer to use Linux on my laptop, but at the moment, it is lacking office 365 support. On some brands there is a serious battery issue. Next option is macOS which has sane shell. But I don't understand, why is there such a huge race toward making thinner laptops? Previous generation MBP, was already thin enough. Consumers demanded thinner laptops. And now I have to bare with thinner MBP but less reliable battery power, fewer ports and a very noisy keyboard (which is disturbing everyone in library).
- boomlinde 8y agoShould he not be?
- xg15 8y ago> ThinkPad trackpad is no smaller than a MacBook from a few years ago. Why would a comparison with products from years ago be valid here?