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Tech journalists, especially, almost always fail to do even a tiny bit of research or due diligence. I mean... Crostini is not "new", it's been on dev channel f

by tinix 8y ago

Tech journalists, especially, almost always fail to do even a tiny bit of research or due diligence. I mean... Crostini is not "new", it's been on dev channel for months[1]! But this article ending... hilarious icing on the cake. > "Now, it’s probably only a matter of hours before somebody starts running Windows apps in Chrome OS with the help of the Wine emulator." Someone should also tell them about running Crossover on Chrome OS via Android[2], which has already been possible for months! [1] https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/879173 https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/87... [2] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.codeweavers.cxoffice https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.codeweaver...

zitterbewegung 8y ago
To be honest if the manufacturer is misleading you that you have to do secondary research then why go to the event at all. I agree they should have done their due dilligence but at this time since no one values the written word nearly everyone is just taking some press release and cut and pasting it. On the other hand I have seen products being launched at Google I/O and being non existant for months. Tensorflow lite took months to come out. Why would you do this? Real artists ship and I don't get why you would announce something and have an indefinite launch date? By the time tensorflow lite came out Apple had coreml out for months and was somewhat usable.
wlesieutre 8y ago
While they're at it, they could discuss what WINE is, and more specifically, what it is not ;)
- tinix 8y ago
  Oh my gosh, I was so annoyed by their utter lack of competency that I didn't even catch that they did call it an emulator. Classic.
- sp332 8y ago
  That's funny, but just because it says it's not an emulator... Well, see this page where it used to be short for Windows Emulator. http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/
  - chungy 8y ago
    There is a lot of confusion about what emulation means, and the name shifted to reflect that it will not, in fact, allow you to run your x86 Windows EXEs on a SPARC or PowerPC.
    - Volt 8y ago
      It's emulating the Windows libraries, not the CPU instructions.
      - idonotknowwhy 8y ago
        That's like saying that Windows Explorer is emulating a filing cabinet with folders and files in it.
        chungy 8y ago
        There is a good deal of validity towards calling Wine an emulator in this vein. It is reimplementing an executable format loader, calling conventions, and the entire runtime and libraries of a foreign operating system -- in other words, emulating the Windows operating system. However, emulating has also often been used to describe software that implements the opcodes of a foreign instruction set in software. For example, a program that implements 6502 opcodes and related modules that allows you to play NES games on a PC. Wine isn't an emulator of this type. Wine relies on the fact that x86 Windows programs can be made to run on x86 Linux by means of implementing everything I stated in the first paragraph. It does not allow for running x86 Windows programs on a SPARC machine (QEMU can assist in doing this, but that's a digression...). Wine is not an ISA emulation, but it is an ABI emulation.
        8y ago
sowbug 8y ago
What open-source-project features are new, then? Something written last night?
grapeli23 8y ago
It is interesting. Linux (Chrome OS) will allow you to run Linux applications. And this whole set of applications belongs to which category? https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/overlays/chromiumos-overlay/+/master/ https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/overlays/chromi... Especially this one - Glibc. https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/overlays/chromiumos-overlay/+/master/sys-libs/glibc/glibc-2.23-r18.ebuild https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/overlays/chromi...
- Koshkin 8y ago
  Linux the kernel is used by various different operating systems.
  - simonh 8y ago
    Many of which are barely mutually compatible yet also call themselves or are commonly referred to as versions or flavours of ‘the Linux operating system’. My greatest wish for Linux is that the term is only used to refer to the kernel architecture and ‘distros’ be consistently referred to as Operating Systems.
    - jacksmith21006 8y ago
      I use GNU/Linux versus Android or ChromeOS

by tinix 8y ago

zitterbewegung 8y ago

To be honest if the manufacturer is misleading you that you have to do secondary research then why go to the event at all. I agree they should have done their due dilligence but at this time since no one values the written word nearly everyone is just taking some press release and cut and pasting it. On the other hand I have seen products being launched at Google I/O and being non existant for months. Tensorflow lite took months to come out. Why would you do this? Real artists ship and I don't get why you would announce something and have an indefinite launch date? By the time tensorflow lite came out Apple had coreml out for months and was somewhat usable.

wlesieutre 8y ago

While they're at it, they could discuss what WINE is, and more specifically, what it is not ;)

tinix 8y ago
Oh my gosh, I was so annoyed by their utter lack of competency that I didn't even catch that they did call it an emulator. Classic.
sp332 8y ago
That's funny, but just because it says it's not an emulator... Well, see this page where it used to be short for Windows Emulator. http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/windows-emulation/wine-faq/
- chungy 8y ago
  There is a lot of confusion about what emulation means, and the name shifted to reflect that it will not, in fact, allow you to run your x86 Windows EXEs on a SPARC or PowerPC.
  - Volt 8y ago
    It's emulating the Windows libraries, not the CPU instructions.
    - idonotknowwhy 8y ago
      That's like saying that Windows Explorer is emulating a filing cabinet with folders and files in it.
      - chungy 8y ago
        There is a good deal of validity towards calling Wine an emulator in this vein. It is reimplementing an executable format loader, calling conventions, and the entire runtime and libraries of a foreign operating system -- in other words, emulating the Windows operating system. However, emulating has also often been used to describe software that implements the opcodes of a foreign instruction set in software. For example, a program that implements 6502 opcodes and related modules that allows you to play NES games on a PC. Wine isn't an emulator of this type. Wine relies on the fact that x86 Windows programs can be made to run on x86 Linux by means of implementing everything I stated in the first paragraph. It does not allow for running x86 Windows programs on a SPARC machine (QEMU can assist in doing this, but that's a digression...). Wine is not an ISA emulation, but it is an ABI emulation.
      - 8y ago

sowbug 8y ago

What open-source-project features are new, then? Something written last night?

grapeli23 8y ago

It is interesting. Linux (Chrome OS) will allow you to run Linux applications. And this whole set of applications belongs to which category? https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/overlays/chromiumos-overlay/+/master/ https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/overlays/chromi... Especially this one - Glibc. https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/overlays/chromiumos-overlay/+/master/sys-libs/glibc/glibc-2.23-r18.ebuild https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/overlays/chromi...

Koshkin 8y ago
Linux the kernel is used by various different operating systems.
- simonh 8y ago
  Many of which are barely mutually compatible yet also call themselves or are commonly referred to as versions or flavours of ‘the Linux operating system’. My greatest wish for Linux is that the term is only used to refer to the kernel architecture and ‘distros’ be consistently referred to as Operating Systems.
  - jacksmith21006 8y ago
    I use GNU/Linux versus Android or ChromeOS