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There is lots of room for variation, but there are also things that are well established scientifically to have a known effect. Talking to babies more helps th

There is lots of room for variation, but there are also things that are well established scientifically to have a known effect. Talking to babies more helps them learn language faster. Reading to children helps them become stronger readers. spanking children makes them more likely to have problems with aggression. Later in life it's a risk factor for criminality and problems with mental health.

watwut 8y ago
Reading to newborn does nothing.
- francoisdevlin 8y ago
  It trains the parents
- watwut 8y ago
  Curious to know whether people downvoting really believe that reading to newborn has an effect. And whether they ever seen newborn if they indeed believe so.
duderific 8y ago
> spanking children makes them more likely to have problems with aggression. I don't spank, but up until 30 or 40 years ago, spanking was a perfectly acceptable form of punishment, and probably most kids were spanked at one time or another. And it wasn't like society was significantly more aggressive than it is now. So I don't know how you can make that sweeping generalization -- at least post links to some studies. Here is one study that found that the link between spanking and aggression is greatly determined by the context in which the spanking occurs: https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED415019.pdf https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED415019.pdf
- mjburgess 8y ago
  > And it wasn't like society was significantly more aggressive than it is now. Yes it was. Much, Much, Much more. Murder and violence, domestic violence. Society 40 years ago was radically different than it is now, and most of the 20th C. was a very violent time.
  - rrauenza 8y ago
    This supports that, yes, it was more aggressive 40 years ago, and simulatenously remind us that correlation isn't always causation: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2013/01/03/how-lead-caused-americas-violent-crime-epidemic/#53f64dbb12c4 https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2013/01/03/how-lead-c...
    - mjburgess 8y ago
      Yes, but then there's studies showing spanking children makes them more aggressive. The physical abuse of children is by the physically abusive who were themselves physically abused. It isnt merely accidental. Of course it isnt the explanation for WW2, or the 1970s murder rate. Neither is lead.
- nostrademons 8y ago
  To be fair, society was significantly more aggressive than it is now: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/30/5-facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/30/5-facts-abou... Violent crime rates both in America and within the developed world at large are way down. This is usually overlooked because we've now become hypersensitized to remaining acts of violence - a "mass shooter" that kills nobody but themselves is now all over the Internet in real time, while when I was a kid in the 80s, everyday violence within large swathes of American society would just be a "just another homicide in a blighted urban area, don't go there". But by the statistics, America today is a lot safer than 30 years ago. Now, I have no idea whether this is because of spanking or not, and drawing a causal connection is much harder in the face of all the conflating changes within society since then. But it's factually incorrect to say that "society wasn't significantly more aggressive than it is now", because it was.
  - rayiner 8y ago
    > Violent crime rates both in America and within the developed world at large are way down. Except they're still higher than they were in 1960 (and kids raised in the 1930s and 1940s certainly got spanked).
    - karmajunkie 8y ago
      Citation needed.
      - nostrademons 8y ago
        He's correct on a factual level: https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/americas-faulty-perception-crime-rates https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/americas-faulty-perceptio... There's a wider context, though, where violent crime during 1940-1960 was abnormally low compared to the earlier part of the century (which had violent crime rates similar to today), and then it shot up in the 1970s. And the 1900s in general has been quite low to historical homicide rates in colonial times. http://sites.nationalacademies.org/cs/groups/dbassesite/documents/webpage/dbasse_083892.pdf http://sites.nationalacademies.org/cs/groups/dbassesite/docu... All of this fits my point that you can't really draw conclusions one way or another from the crime rate.
- breakyerself 8y ago
  There have been a lot of studies on this. It's not ambiguous anymore that spanking does more harm than good. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3768154/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3768154/

watwut 8y ago

Reading to newborn does nothing.

francoisdevlin 8y ago
It trains the parents
watwut 8y ago
Curious to know whether people downvoting really believe that reading to newborn has an effect. And whether they ever seen newborn if they indeed believe so.

duderific 8y ago

> spanking children makes them more likely to have problems with aggression. I don't spank, but up until 30 or 40 years ago, spanking was a perfectly acceptable form of punishment, and probably most kids were spanked at one time or another. And it wasn't like society was significantly more aggressive than it is now. So I don't know how you can make that sweeping generalization -- at least post links to some studies. Here is one study that found that the link between spanking and aggression is greatly determined by the context in which the spanking occurs: https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED415019.pdf https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED415019.pdf

mjburgess 8y ago
> And it wasn't like society was significantly more aggressive than it is now. Yes it was. Much, Much, Much more. Murder and violence, domestic violence. Society 40 years ago was radically different than it is now, and most of the 20th C. was a very violent time.
- rrauenza 8y ago
  This supports that, yes, it was more aggressive 40 years ago, and simulatenously remind us that correlation isn't always causation: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2013/01/03/how-lead-caused-americas-violent-crime-epidemic/#53f64dbb12c4 https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2013/01/03/how-lead-c...
  - mjburgess 8y ago
    Yes, but then there's studies showing spanking children makes them more aggressive. The physical abuse of children is by the physically abusive who were themselves physically abused. It isnt merely accidental. Of course it isnt the explanation for WW2, or the 1970s murder rate. Neither is lead.
nostrademons 8y ago
To be fair, society was significantly more aggressive than it is now: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/30/5-facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/30/5-facts-abou... Violent crime rates both in America and within the developed world at large are way down. This is usually overlooked because we've now become hypersensitized to remaining acts of violence - a "mass shooter" that kills nobody but themselves is now all over the Internet in real time, while when I was a kid in the 80s, everyday violence within large swathes of American society would just be a "just another homicide in a blighted urban area, don't go there". But by the statistics, America today is a lot safer than 30 years ago. Now, I have no idea whether this is because of spanking or not, and drawing a causal connection is much harder in the face of all the conflating changes within society since then. But it's factually incorrect to say that "society wasn't significantly more aggressive than it is now", because it was.
- rayiner 8y ago
  > Violent crime rates both in America and within the developed world at large are way down. Except they're still higher than they were in 1960 (and kids raised in the 1930s and 1940s certainly got spanked).
  - karmajunkie 8y ago
    Citation needed.
    - nostrademons 8y ago
      He's correct on a factual level: https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/americas-faulty-perception-crime-rates https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/americas-faulty-perceptio... There's a wider context, though, where violent crime during 1940-1960 was abnormally low compared to the earlier part of the century (which had violent crime rates similar to today), and then it shot up in the 1970s. And the 1900s in general has been quite low to historical homicide rates in colonial times. http://sites.nationalacademies.org/cs/groups/dbassesite/documents/webpage/dbasse_083892.pdf http://sites.nationalacademies.org/cs/groups/dbassesite/docu... All of this fits my point that you can't really draw conclusions one way or another from the crime rate.
breakyerself 8y ago
There have been a lot of studies on this. It's not ambiguous anymore that spanking does more harm than good. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3768154/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3768154/