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I'm not sure I agree 100% with what you said, but I get the sentiment. If someone is worried about a dystopian crud, why would they purchase a Google Home or us

I'm not sure I agree 100% with what you said, but I get the sentiment. If someone is worried about a dystopian crud, why would they purchase a Google Home or use the Google Assistant? Also, the parenting values I thought was nice, and optional to turn it on.

ocdtrekkie 8y ago
I can't escape it when Google's implementing their AI to call and message other people. They just demonstrated Google's AI calling and trying to converse with unsuspecting users who aren't even notified they're talking to Google.
- anderber 8y ago
  What's the issue/reason you see with Google Assistant calling to make a reservation for a business? Why do you need to avoid it?
  - bendecoste 8y ago
    Not saying I agree with the parent but it's not like Google is going to call it quits here and not try to improve the tech to use in more situations.
  - e1ven 8y ago
    Maybe it'll work out well.. Maybe not. But right now, people being called have an expectation of talking to a person, and this shifts that expectation without the business opting-in to the change. That's going to be frustrating to some businesses, and there may well be legal issues in some areas.
  - macrael 8y ago
    It's creepy because it's pretending to be people. Phone trees suck, and now a phone tree is calling you and we don't expect phone trees to call us. Now you have to wonder when you get a call wether you are talking to a person or a robot. At the minimum they should announce themselves.
    - nfoz 8y ago
      Also, they recorded this call and are using it for their internal dataset and also sharing it publicly with hundreds of thousands of people. Should the recipient be informed of this data collection, much less have a say in it?
      - ocdtrekkie 8y ago
        Either the calls given in the example were staged, permission was solicited outside the bounds of this call, or they did it outside of California's jurisdiction. Recording calls without both parties' consent in California is illegal.
    - baumandm 8y ago
      If you can't tell, does it matter? The reason people don't like phone trees is not because they are robots. Rather, because they often make it difficult to get the help you need or reach the right department. If a live human read the script of a phone tree to you it would be equally (more?) infuriating. If I called a companies number and got a conversational bot masquerading as a person instead of a phone tree, that would be a dramatic improvement.
      - tlb 8y ago
        Yes. Because if I'm having a bad day and I'm rude to the caller (not knowing it's a machine), I will feel guilt afterwards. The guilt will be unnecessary, because no human was offended. That may be a trivial case, but more generally our social contract is that we owe a duty of politeness and consideration to fellow humans. When you're interacting with another human, a big part of your brain is actively engaged in following social norms. By masquerading as human, machines co-opt this part of your brain and extract a duty that they don't deserve. I think every machine caller should be required to identify itself as such. Restaurants will still be happy to take reservations from them. If one calls me to sell me something, I can tell it where to go without any guilt.
      - candiodari 8y ago
        The problem with phone trees is not that they suck at getting you to the right department, it's that the options required mostly aren't there. It's that it makes it soooo cheap for the company implementing the phone tree to waste your time just to improve the metrics of some low-level idiot manager at the company. Voice will make this a LOT worse, not better.
lainga 8y ago
If the people are worried about police surveillance, why would they purchase CCTV cameras and data centres?
- djrogers 8y ago
  CCTV cameras and the data they collect are generally under the control of the people who purchase and run them (short of a court order) - Google-connected bits, not so much.

ocdtrekkie 8y ago

I can't escape it when Google's implementing their AI to call and message other people. They just demonstrated Google's AI calling and trying to converse with unsuspecting users who aren't even notified they're talking to Google.

anderber 8y ago
What's the issue/reason you see with Google Assistant calling to make a reservation for a business? Why do you need to avoid it?
- bendecoste 8y ago
  Not saying I agree with the parent but it's not like Google is going to call it quits here and not try to improve the tech to use in more situations.
- e1ven 8y ago
  Maybe it'll work out well.. Maybe not. But right now, people being called have an expectation of talking to a person, and this shifts that expectation without the business opting-in to the change. That's going to be frustrating to some businesses, and there may well be legal issues in some areas.
- macrael 8y ago
  It's creepy because it's pretending to be people. Phone trees suck, and now a phone tree is calling you and we don't expect phone trees to call us. Now you have to wonder when you get a call wether you are talking to a person or a robot. At the minimum they should announce themselves.
  - nfoz 8y ago
    Also, they recorded this call and are using it for their internal dataset and also sharing it publicly with hundreds of thousands of people. Should the recipient be informed of this data collection, much less have a say in it?
    - ocdtrekkie 8y ago
      Either the calls given in the example were staged, permission was solicited outside the bounds of this call, or they did it outside of California's jurisdiction. Recording calls without both parties' consent in California is illegal.
  - baumandm 8y ago
    If you can't tell, does it matter? The reason people don't like phone trees is not because they are robots. Rather, because they often make it difficult to get the help you need or reach the right department. If a live human read the script of a phone tree to you it would be equally (more?) infuriating. If I called a companies number and got a conversational bot masquerading as a person instead of a phone tree, that would be a dramatic improvement.
    - tlb 8y ago
      Yes. Because if I'm having a bad day and I'm rude to the caller (not knowing it's a machine), I will feel guilt afterwards. The guilt will be unnecessary, because no human was offended. That may be a trivial case, but more generally our social contract is that we owe a duty of politeness and consideration to fellow humans. When you're interacting with another human, a big part of your brain is actively engaged in following social norms. By masquerading as human, machines co-opt this part of your brain and extract a duty that they don't deserve. I think every machine caller should be required to identify itself as such. Restaurants will still be happy to take reservations from them. If one calls me to sell me something, I can tell it where to go without any guilt.
    - candiodari 8y ago
      The problem with phone trees is not that they suck at getting you to the right department, it's that the options required mostly aren't there. It's that it makes it soooo cheap for the company implementing the phone tree to waste your time just to improve the metrics of some low-level idiot manager at the company. Voice will make this a LOT worse, not better.

lainga 8y ago

If the people are worried about police surveillance, why would they purchase CCTV cameras and data centres?

djrogers 8y ago
CCTV cameras and the data they collect are generally under the control of the people who purchase and run them (short of a court order) - Google-connected bits, not so much.