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Somebody should create a list of JS free sites. They can sell it at Whole Foods in the "medicine" aisle. You guys know what I'm talking about; "JS Free -All Nat

by Rapzid 9y ago

Somebody should create a list of JS free sites. They can sell it at Whole Foods in the "medicine" aisle. You guys know what I'm talking about; "JS Free -All Natural!". I think we've about reached the point of ideology on this. If you are considering arguing with the other side your probably better off arguing evolution with a creationist, or facts with the GOP.

andrewmcwatters 9y ago
What a tremendously rude comment. I can't believe you need so many hundreds of karma points to downvote what is clearly a non-contribution.
- perl4ever 9y ago
  Well, I'm not sure if it was meant to be helpful, but I would like a "list", or better yet, a search engine, that excludes all sites with javascript. If there is no such widely used search engine, then sites without scripting can't thrive. I've never been an ideological seeker of "organic, all natural" type foods, because the criteria tend to seem arbitrary and unscientific, but I've come to see the label as useful because the other stuff is increasingly adulterated with garbage I don't want.
  - krapp 9y ago
    >If there is no such widely used search engine, then sites without scripting can't thrive. Such a search engine would never be widely used, because there's no widespread desire to limit search results only to sites which don't use javascript.
    - perl4ever 9y ago
      It's a chicken and egg question. People don't know they want it, but they can't find out they want it either. I don't mind javascript or ads per se, but the bandwidth and processing requirements of modern ad-heavy web pages are becoming unmanageable for me. My breaking point is where, even using WiFi at home all the time, I am still going over 1GB a month for my cell usage away from home. And equally as important, pages are infuriatingly slow on both laptop and phone, even though I have a relatively recent and high powered phone.
      - krapp 9y ago
        But unless people are specifically searching for sites that don't use javascript, a search engine that excludes javascript is just going to return poor results for most queries. A more useful search engine might be one that shows whether or not a site uses javascript, and if so, which common libraries, etc. Maybe even whether or not a site will render without javascript.
  - Rapzid 9y ago
    I appreciate you engaging on this in such an honest fashion. I meant that to be a bit tongue-in-cheek and was evoking Bill Burr perhaps a bit too much. TBH though, I was very tired and too hostile with my post. In my defense though, this whole conversation feels like a time loop on HN every time it comes up. It's not hard to predict/categorize the arguments and arguers at this point, as a generalization. You have a vocal group of progressive enhancement cargo-culters who are a decade out of time; the very real motivators for the formation of the dogma missing for years. For them, progressive enhancement is "the way it should be". Then you have a group that know the ship has sailed shouting down anyone who won't join the new world order, regardless of whether they have significant value/cost reasons. Both sides talk at each other. On the fringes there are the hypermilers and the data analysts. There is a small contingent of the equiv to hypermilers; they know it's rather inconsequential, with no notions confusable with ideology, but it's more of a game or hobby to them. The data analysts actually talk about the numbers of people still blocking javascript and whether it's worth the effort in 2018 for the average site. At this point it's more a social study than an insight into the cost/benefit.

by Rapzid 9y ago

andrewmcwatters 9y ago

What a tremendously rude comment. I can't believe you need so many hundreds of karma points to downvote what is clearly a non-contribution.

perl4ever 9y ago
Well, I'm not sure if it was meant to be helpful, but I would like a "list", or better yet, a search engine, that excludes all sites with javascript. If there is no such widely used search engine, then sites without scripting can't thrive. I've never been an ideological seeker of "organic, all natural" type foods, because the criteria tend to seem arbitrary and unscientific, but I've come to see the label as useful because the other stuff is increasingly adulterated with garbage I don't want.
- krapp 9y ago
  >If there is no such widely used search engine, then sites without scripting can't thrive. Such a search engine would never be widely used, because there's no widespread desire to limit search results only to sites which don't use javascript.
  - perl4ever 9y ago
    It's a chicken and egg question. People don't know they want it, but they can't find out they want it either. I don't mind javascript or ads per se, but the bandwidth and processing requirements of modern ad-heavy web pages are becoming unmanageable for me. My breaking point is where, even using WiFi at home all the time, I am still going over 1GB a month for my cell usage away from home. And equally as important, pages are infuriatingly slow on both laptop and phone, even though I have a relatively recent and high powered phone.
    - krapp 9y ago
      But unless people are specifically searching for sites that don't use javascript, a search engine that excludes javascript is just going to return poor results for most queries. A more useful search engine might be one that shows whether or not a site uses javascript, and if so, which common libraries, etc. Maybe even whether or not a site will render without javascript.
- Rapzid 9y ago
  I appreciate you engaging on this in such an honest fashion. I meant that to be a bit tongue-in-cheek and was evoking Bill Burr perhaps a bit too much. TBH though, I was very tired and too hostile with my post. In my defense though, this whole conversation feels like a time loop on HN every time it comes up. It's not hard to predict/categorize the arguments and arguers at this point, as a generalization. You have a vocal group of progressive enhancement cargo-culters who are a decade out of time; the very real motivators for the formation of the dogma missing for years. For them, progressive enhancement is "the way it should be". Then you have a group that know the ship has sailed shouting down anyone who won't join the new world order, regardless of whether they have significant value/cost reasons. Both sides talk at each other. On the fringes there are the hypermilers and the data analysts. There is a small contingent of the equiv to hypermilers; they know it's rather inconsequential, with no notions confusable with ideology, but it's more of a game or hobby to them. The data analysts actually talk about the numbers of people still blocking javascript and whether it's worth the effort in 2018 for the average site. At this point it's more a social study than an insight into the cost/benefit.