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Because there are people who are willing to believe that something is good or bad without needing to understand the rationale behind it? Most people making the

by lvh 8y ago

Because there are people who are willing to believe that something is good or bad without needing to understand the rationale behind it? Most people making the case for WAFs aren't posting detailed rationales of why WAFs are a good way to spend your resources either. Example, same author: Cryptographic Right Answers. (Disclaimer: I work with tptacek.)

irundebian 8y ago
That's whataboutism. I'm not interested in anyone who fails at giving proper arguments. Neither when tptacek is it or someone else. The sense of giving rational arguments lies not only in the persuasion of the parent poster but also on the information of anybody else who is reading. And simple "Don't do most of this." and "You almost certainly don't want to set up a WAF." are just crappy answers which are based on authority and therefore meaningless.
- tptacek 8y ago
  You are being extremely rude. Nobody on this thread has been as personally abrasive as you have. If you have a technical argument to make, make it; nobody is going to call you names for doing that. Technical arguments, even those you don't feel are adequately supported with evidence, are not insults. But "whataboutism" and "appeals to authority" and "religion" and "arrogance" are insults, and speak to motives and intents, which are things you have no business bringing into this discussion. Stop.
  - irundebian 8y ago
    My posts aren't meant to be rude. I feel very sorry if I hurt you or others feelings. I'm not making a point on your general credibility and technical statements - quite the opposite - but some your answers today just seemed to be ignorant for me (and probably some others). If you're giving a simple statement without background (just based on your opinion) and you're friendly asked for your information, then imo you should either don't answer or give back more information, but not just continuing giving answers without background. That's all, and that's not meant to be rude. Just my opinion on your way of posting today, as others have giving me today.
    - c22 8y ago
      No one means to be rude. Rudeness is the byproduct of a lack of self awareness and concern for social mores. Gp (and others in this ridiculous subthread) are trying to give you pointers that will improve the quality of your interactions with this community, which is ironic given the comments that sparked this discussion.

by lvh 8y ago

irundebian 8y ago

That's whataboutism. I'm not interested in anyone who fails at giving proper arguments. Neither when tptacek is it or someone else. The sense of giving rational arguments lies not only in the persuasion of the parent poster but also on the information of anybody else who is reading. And simple "Don't do most of this." and "You almost certainly don't want to set up a WAF." are just crappy answers which are based on authority and therefore meaningless.

tptacek 8y ago
You are being extremely rude. Nobody on this thread has been as personally abrasive as you have. If you have a technical argument to make, make it; nobody is going to call you names for doing that. Technical arguments, even those you don't feel are adequately supported with evidence, are not insults. But "whataboutism" and "appeals to authority" and "religion" and "arrogance" are insults, and speak to motives and intents, which are things you have no business bringing into this discussion. Stop.
- irundebian 8y ago
  My posts aren't meant to be rude. I feel very sorry if I hurt you or others feelings. I'm not making a point on your general credibility and technical statements - quite the opposite - but some your answers today just seemed to be ignorant for me (and probably some others). If you're giving a simple statement without background (just based on your opinion) and you're friendly asked for your information, then imo you should either don't answer or give back more information, but not just continuing giving answers without background. That's all, and that's not meant to be rude. Just my opinion on your way of posting today, as others have giving me today.
  - c22 8y ago
    No one means to be rude. Rudeness is the byproduct of a lack of self awareness and concern for social mores. Gp (and others in this ridiculous subthread) are trying to give you pointers that will improve the quality of your interactions with this community, which is ironic given the comments that sparked this discussion.