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This isn't a religious/esoteric forum here. Technical statements should be backed by proper reasons regardless of who is stating something. If you are sick to t

This isn't a religious/esoteric forum here. Technical statements should be backed by proper reasons regardless of who is stating something. If you are sick to tell technical reasons then why bothering posting on HN?

lvh 8y ago
Because there are people who are willing to believe that something is good or bad without needing to understand the rationale behind it? Most people making the case for WAFs aren't posting detailed rationales of why WAFs are a good way to spend your resources either. Example, same author: Cryptographic Right Answers. (Disclaimer: I work with tptacek.)
- irundebian 8y ago
  That's whataboutism. I'm not interested in anyone who fails at giving proper arguments. Neither when tptacek is it or someone else. The sense of giving rational arguments lies not only in the persuasion of the parent poster but also on the information of anybody else who is reading. And simple "Don't do most of this." and "You almost certainly don't want to set up a WAF." are just crappy answers which are based on authority and therefore meaningless.
  - tptacek 8y ago
    You are being extremely rude. Nobody on this thread has been as personally abrasive as you have. If you have a technical argument to make, make it; nobody is going to call you names for doing that. Technical arguments, even those you don't feel are adequately supported with evidence, are not insults. But "whataboutism" and "appeals to authority" and "religion" and "arrogance" are insults, and speak to motives and intents, which are things you have no business bringing into this discussion. Stop.
    - irundebian 8y ago
      My posts aren't meant to be rude. I feel very sorry if I hurt you or others feelings. I'm not making a point on your general credibility and technical statements - quite the opposite - but some your answers today just seemed to be ignorant for me (and probably some others). If you're giving a simple statement without background (just based on your opinion) and you're friendly asked for your information, then imo you should either don't answer or give back more information, but not just continuing giving answers without background. That's all, and that's not meant to be rude. Just my opinion on your way of posting today, as others have giving me today.
      - c22 8y ago
        No one means to be rude. Rudeness is the byproduct of a lack of self awareness and concern for social mores. Gp (and others in this ridiculous subthread) are trying to give you pointers that will improve the quality of your interactions with this community, which is ironic given the comments that sparked this discussion.
stronglikedan 8y ago
You're relatively new, but after a while, you get to learn the credibility of some HN'ers by their usernames. Often, you can click their username to find previous comments from the same user where they expounded on the technical details, particularly for subjects that come up here a lot. I don't blame them for not wanting to go into detail each and every time, especially when their reputation gives their comments credibility in place of details. I'd also like to add that you may want to work on the tone of your comments if you'd like to get enough karma to really participate in the community. Your comment history seems a bit confrontational and argumentative. There are better, friendlier ways to make the same points. I'll defer to the guidelines[0] to explain how you may improve your communication skills. [0]https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- irundebian 8y ago
  I'm quite aware of some credibility of some HN users. That doesn't give them the right to give arrogant or non-argument-backed answers. Besides that: There is no reason to base your argument on the age of my account.
  - stronglikedan 8y ago
    You may have missed my edit to my previous comment regarding the tone of your comments. I suggest you go back and check it out. (Yet another sign of the age of your account, which is most definitely relevant.)
    - irundebian 8y ago
      Sure, thanks for your advice. But that's very unrelated to this topic here. Furthermore I don't see much value in karma points from random strangers and a need for building some strange internet personality who avoids conflicts to prevent a decrease in its karma points. I also don't see how I can even more participate in this community with more karma points.
      - 8y ago

lvh 8y ago

Because there are people who are willing to believe that something is good or bad without needing to understand the rationale behind it? Most people making the case for WAFs aren't posting detailed rationales of why WAFs are a good way to spend your resources either. Example, same author: Cryptographic Right Answers. (Disclaimer: I work with tptacek.)

irundebian 8y ago
That's whataboutism. I'm not interested in anyone who fails at giving proper arguments. Neither when tptacek is it or someone else. The sense of giving rational arguments lies not only in the persuasion of the parent poster but also on the information of anybody else who is reading. And simple "Don't do most of this." and "You almost certainly don't want to set up a WAF." are just crappy answers which are based on authority and therefore meaningless.
- tptacek 8y ago
  You are being extremely rude. Nobody on this thread has been as personally abrasive as you have. If you have a technical argument to make, make it; nobody is going to call you names for doing that. Technical arguments, even those you don't feel are adequately supported with evidence, are not insults. But "whataboutism" and "appeals to authority" and "religion" and "arrogance" are insults, and speak to motives and intents, which are things you have no business bringing into this discussion. Stop.
  - irundebian 8y ago
    My posts aren't meant to be rude. I feel very sorry if I hurt you or others feelings. I'm not making a point on your general credibility and technical statements - quite the opposite - but some your answers today just seemed to be ignorant for me (and probably some others). If you're giving a simple statement without background (just based on your opinion) and you're friendly asked for your information, then imo you should either don't answer or give back more information, but not just continuing giving answers without background. That's all, and that's not meant to be rude. Just my opinion on your way of posting today, as others have giving me today.
    - c22 8y ago
      No one means to be rude. Rudeness is the byproduct of a lack of self awareness and concern for social mores. Gp (and others in this ridiculous subthread) are trying to give you pointers that will improve the quality of your interactions with this community, which is ironic given the comments that sparked this discussion.

stronglikedan 8y ago

You're relatively new, but after a while, you get to learn the credibility of some HN'ers by their usernames. Often, you can click their username to find previous comments from the same user where they expounded on the technical details, particularly for subjects that come up here a lot. I don't blame them for not wanting to go into detail each and every time, especially when their reputation gives their comments credibility in place of details. I'd also like to add that you may want to work on the tone of your comments if you'd like to get enough karma to really participate in the community. Your comment history seems a bit confrontational and argumentative. There are better, friendlier ways to make the same points. I'll defer to the guidelines[0] to explain how you may improve your communication skills. [0]https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

irundebian 8y ago
I'm quite aware of some credibility of some HN users. That doesn't give them the right to give arrogant or non-argument-backed answers. Besides that: There is no reason to base your argument on the age of my account.
- stronglikedan 8y ago
  You may have missed my edit to my previous comment regarding the tone of your comments. I suggest you go back and check it out. (Yet another sign of the age of your account, which is most definitely relevant.)
  - irundebian 8y ago
    Sure, thanks for your advice. But that's very unrelated to this topic here. Furthermore I don't see much value in karma points from random strangers and a need for building some strange internet personality who avoids conflicts to prevent a decrease in its karma points. I also don't see how I can even more participate in this community with more karma points.
    - 8y ago