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I want to defend Rust project here. You should realize that Rust CoC is scoped to official Rust project space. > They have a member on their core team who has

I want to defend Rust project here. You should realize that Rust CoC is scoped to official Rust project space. > They have a member on their core team who has advocated violence in the past. It's just that it's violence against white people so it's "OK". As far as I know, the member you are referring to never advocated violence in the official Rust project space. That's enough for Rust.

2FC00C733A55 9y ago
And you are sure that any code of conduct violations will not include anything out of the official Rust project space, like an unrelated twitter post?
- sanxiyn 9y ago
  Yes, I am 100% sure.
matheusmoreira 9y ago
This directly contradicts other CoC enforcement cases: https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 >publicly calling trans people out for "not accepting reality" on Twitter. >His Twitter profile mentions that he is a core contributor to opal. >Is this what the other maintainers want to be reflected in the project? >Will any transgender developers feel comfortable contributing? There is no reason to believe these people are impartial.
- irishsultan 9y ago
  That's a different CoC though.
  - matheusmoreira 9y ago
    Is it? https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/942 https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/942 The author of the issue suggests the adoption of a certain Contributor Covenant. Here is the latest version of the text: https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/1/4/code-of-conduct.md https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/1/4/code-of-con... And here is the Node.js CoC: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/nodejs/admin/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md https://raw.githubusercontent.com/nodejs/admin/master/CODE_O... Here is the diff: https://www.diffchecker.com/2Lj88IT6 https://www.diffchecker.com/2Lj88IT6 The only substantial difference is located on the very first paragraph: - education, socio-economic status + race It is clearly the same CoC. Nowhere in that text does it say that Twitter is some kind of private space where you can freely express unpopular opinions without consequences to your good standing as a contributor to software projects. The scope section actually says this: >This Code of Conduct applies both within project spaces and in public spaces when an individual is representing the project or its community. >Examples of representing a project or community include using an official project e-mail address, posting via an official social media account, or acting as an appointed representative at an online or offline event. As evidenced by the Opal issue I cited, the mere mention of a project on your Twitter profile causes people to assume it is an "official social media account" and therefore subject to the CoC. >His Twitter profile mentions that he is a core contributor to opal. >Is this what the other maintainers want to be reflected in the project? So why were there no consequences following this report? https://github.com/nodejs/TSC/issues/324 https://github.com/nodejs/TSC/issues/324 The Twitter in question clearly is associated with Node.js: https://twitter.com/ag_dubs https://twitter.com/ag_dubs >@nodejs director. former @npmjs. These facts were enough for me to form my opinion about CoCs and their enforcement.
    - irishsultan 9y ago
      Rust is not Node, so I'm not sure why you're looking at nodes CoC.

2FC00C733A55 9y ago

And you are sure that any code of conduct violations will not include anything out of the official Rust project space, like an unrelated twitter post?

sanxiyn 9y ago
Yes, I am 100% sure.

matheusmoreira 9y ago

This directly contradicts other CoC enforcement cases: https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 >publicly calling trans people out for "not accepting reality" on Twitter. >His Twitter profile mentions that he is a core contributor to opal. >Is this what the other maintainers want to be reflected in the project? >Will any transgender developers feel comfortable contributing? There is no reason to believe these people are impartial.

irishsultan 9y ago
That's a different CoC though.
- matheusmoreira 9y ago
  Is it? https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/942 https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/942 The author of the issue suggests the adoption of a certain Contributor Covenant. Here is the latest version of the text: https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/1/4/code-of-conduct.md https://www.contributor-covenant.org/version/1/4/code-of-con... And here is the Node.js CoC: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/nodejs/admin/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md https://raw.githubusercontent.com/nodejs/admin/master/CODE_O... Here is the diff: https://www.diffchecker.com/2Lj88IT6 https://www.diffchecker.com/2Lj88IT6 The only substantial difference is located on the very first paragraph: - education, socio-economic status + race It is clearly the same CoC. Nowhere in that text does it say that Twitter is some kind of private space where you can freely express unpopular opinions without consequences to your good standing as a contributor to software projects. The scope section actually says this: >This Code of Conduct applies both within project spaces and in public spaces when an individual is representing the project or its community. >Examples of representing a project or community include using an official project e-mail address, posting via an official social media account, or acting as an appointed representative at an online or offline event. As evidenced by the Opal issue I cited, the mere mention of a project on your Twitter profile causes people to assume it is an "official social media account" and therefore subject to the CoC. >His Twitter profile mentions that he is a core contributor to opal. >Is this what the other maintainers want to be reflected in the project? So why were there no consequences following this report? https://github.com/nodejs/TSC/issues/324 https://github.com/nodejs/TSC/issues/324 The Twitter in question clearly is associated with Node.js: https://twitter.com/ag_dubs https://twitter.com/ag_dubs >@nodejs director. former @npmjs. These facts were enough for me to form my opinion about CoCs and their enforcement.
  - irishsultan 9y ago
    Rust is not Node, so I'm not sure why you're looking at nodes CoC.