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So to break things down as I think we're partially of the same view: 1. To start with the end, nobody's suggesting they're exclusively on Mastodon (which is no
by iuguy 8y ago
So to break things down as I think we're partially of the same view:
1. To start with the end, nobody's suggesting they're exclusively on Mastodon (which is not the only Fediverse tool, there are others), and they absolutely should syndicate far and wide. However, posting to Mastodon/Pleroma/Whatever first and syndicating the content elsewhere means that if this happens again, they don't lose tweets.
2. Drawing from a pool 300x bigger doesn't make for 300x better interactions. Generally Fediverse SNR seems to be better, but this is more or less so depending upon interest and representation. Bear in mind OP's twitter account had followers in the hundreds, like my Mastodon account does. I have thousands on twitter, but I only interact with maybe 50-100 people there.
3. WRT your friend, there's now https://joinmastodon.org/ https://joinmastodon.org/, which will guide them to an instance. Your friend is not required to use Mastodon to participate in the Fediverse. There are other tools out there. They're all linked (you can use Pleroma and read Mastodon toots for example). The whole point of the fediverse is that it isn't a walled garden and that you own your content.
4. There are tools to assist with migrating Mastodon accounts but they're early stage. I agree this sucks, but in it's defence it's because Mastodon is new and expanding and the tools are improving.
5. This was the bit I wanted to talk about:
> it's been very hard for me to discover people to follow
Yup. I completely agree. The solution however is right under your nose. The way to find people to follow in the Fediverse is:
1. Search for hashtags you're interested in.
2. Find people using those hashtags and check out their feeds.
3. Look at who they follow and check those people out.
This is how every social network pretty much used to work, and fundamentally is down to the fact that in the fediverse you own your presence, your data and your network which means you are responsible for it. There's nobody pushing for engagement, nobody making money from filling your feed with ads. The price is personal responsibility.
If you think that's too high a price to pay, that's fine. Stay in the walled garden with curated content and risk having all the content you produced for corporations for free so they could sell ads to be pushed to you and your friends erased at the drop of a hat without explanation.
And you can say it'll never work, it'll never replace twitter or facebook. But HN will never replace Reddit and Lobsters will never replace HN, yet both are doing pretty well for the communities they serve. Once you bend your head around the concept that fediverse communities as a whole have no interest in replicating Twitter or Facebook it starts to make a lot more sense.
- chipotle_coyote 8y agoWe may not be on the same page, but we're probably at least on adjacent pages. :) I should be clear that I like Mastodon despite all my complaints -- it's just that I often feel as if I like it more in theory than practice. I've had better luck with Micro.blog, which is a different approach to the same problem (i.e., own your own content), built on top of webmentions and syndication feeds. But I'm not sure it's really a better approach, just different.
- iuguy 8y agoOooh Micro.blog looks interesting. Is it open source?
- chipotle_coyote 8y agoI don't think the timeline bits are, although I think it's under consideration. (Sorry for being extremely fuzzy there.) I know you don't actually have to pay for hosting with them, which I don't think they do a great job of communicating yet -- a hosted Micro.blog is actually just Jekyll with a web front end, and there are people using their own Jekyll setups, or WordPress, or a few other solutions. (I'm pretty sure the timeline is actually built on top of JSON Feed and webmentions.)