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Here is an article written by Thomas Sowell in case someone wanted to read from him first hand. https://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2002/10/01/race-an

by lev99 8y ago

Here is an article written by Thomas Sowell in case someone wanted to read from him first hand. https://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2002/10/01/race-and-iq-n1000028 https://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2002/10/01/race... I am not well read enough on the subject to have my own opinion. My summary of his words: The average score of an IQ test is defined as 100, so the raw intelligence each score represents changes over time as population intelligence changes over time. Some nations have seen an increase in average IQ of 20 points. There is a difference of IQ between African Americans and the rest of the US population, but that can be explained as being socially isolated, and the same difference can be found in other socially isolated populations. * Edit: I am embarrassed to have linked to such a publication, but will not modify my original words.

eunoia 8y ago
I can't yet comment on the substance of Thomas Sowell's argument, but when I went to read his article I was struck by townhall.com's top 3 trending pieces. • Why Science and Experience Command That You Buy an 'Assault Rifle' • An Eagle Scout Explains the Fatal Folly of Taking the ‘Boy’ out of Boy Scouts • Liberalism Must Be Destroyed Draw your own conclusions on bias. Edit: To those downvoting, why? If I'm in the wrong to point this out and let people draw their own conclusions please comment and let me know why.
- lev99 8y ago
  Wow! I suffer from chronic tunnel vision and missed some important context about that website.
- deleted 8y ago
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- jimmywanger 8y ago
  Argue the point, do not attack the website. Simply because the website publishes other ideas that you disagree with, doesn't mean that the author is fundamentally incorrect in his reasoning. Ad hominem attacks are never good.
  - eunoia 8y ago
    I appreciate the point you're making, but I don't feel my comment was made to attack the website while ignoring the argument. I merely pointed out what they choose to display as their "trending articles". Do you find context to be completely irrelevant when engaging in political discussion?
  - wilsonnb 8y ago
    Ad hominem attacks are sometimes good. It's reasonable to evaluate a source before you trust what comes out of that source. For example, I have ample experience being lied to by Donald Trump and therefore I feel comfortable ignoring most of what he says or assuming it's a lie. There is too much information in the world today to not rely on filters like the reputation of and your experience with the source.
    - stcredzero 8y ago
      Ad hominem attacks are sometimes good. Only in that they reveal the intellectually dishonest.
- laretluval 8y ago
  Townhall is a well-known conservative website. Are you surprised they are running articles arguing for conservative points? Or do you think those headlines are outside the bounds of reasonable discourse?
  - eunoia 8y ago
    > Townhall is a well-known conservative website. I didn't know that, and apparently neither did the poster of that link. > Or do you think those headlines are outside the bounds of reasonable discourse? My only intention was to point out potential bias. Now that you mention it though, no, I don't think a headline like "Liberalism Must Be Destroyed" is making a good faith effort to start a reasonable discourse. I think it's pandering to the kind of destructive tribal political think that has rendered productive political discourse basically nonexistent these days. And I would say the same if the title was "Conservatism Must Be Destroyed" Edit: I read the articles. Those headlines might honestly be understating the level of bias. I don't event want to sully HN with that level of pathological tribal political nonsense. For example, regardless of your opinion on guns (I own one personally), to pretend like this is what healthy political discourse looks like is completely unacceptable. > Ignore the liberals who want an America where you disarmed and defenseless against the tyranny they dream of imposing. Ignore the hateful teens MSNBCNN spotlight and the Hollywood virtue signalers who harangue you from behind armed guards. Ignore the blue falcon Democrat vets who think their tour in Iraq means they earned some sort of moral authority to dictate to you what guns you do and don’t need. If that’s how it works, I did 27 years, so doesn’t my guidance that you should totally buy an AR-15 count? No? Oh, right – their vetsplaining is just manipulative liberal baloney. > Instead, be guided by science. The science, supported by experience, make clear what you need to do. Buy guns and ammunition. Get an AR-15. > Gee, why do liberals hate science so much?
    - stcredzero 8y ago
      no, I don't think a headline like "Liberalism Must Be Destroyed" is making a good faith effort to start a reasonable discourse. Funny, but I've seen such headlines from the Far Left directed at centrist liberals!
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stcredzero 8y ago
Edit: I am embarrassed to have linked to such a publication, but will not modify my original words. No, don't be. Don't be swayed by guilt by association. That is a tool of oppressors. Evaluate information and arguments on their merits. You can't keep ideologies honest if you're not allowed to evaluate and possibly "fire" them and seek alternatives. Are you wedded to the "flag" or "label" or to the principles represented by them?

by lev99 8y ago

eunoia 8y ago

I can't yet comment on the substance of Thomas Sowell's argument, but when I went to read his article I was struck by townhall.com's top 3 trending pieces. • Why Science and Experience Command That You Buy an 'Assault Rifle' • An Eagle Scout Explains the Fatal Folly of Taking the ‘Boy’ out of Boy Scouts • Liberalism Must Be Destroyed Draw your own conclusions on bias. Edit: To those downvoting, why? If I'm in the wrong to point this out and let people draw their own conclusions please comment and let me know why.

lev99 8y ago
Wow! I suffer from chronic tunnel vision and missed some important context about that website.
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jimmywanger 8y ago
Argue the point, do not attack the website. Simply because the website publishes other ideas that you disagree with, doesn't mean that the author is fundamentally incorrect in his reasoning. Ad hominem attacks are never good.
- eunoia 8y ago
  I appreciate the point you're making, but I don't feel my comment was made to attack the website while ignoring the argument. I merely pointed out what they choose to display as their "trending articles". Do you find context to be completely irrelevant when engaging in political discussion?
- wilsonnb 8y ago
  Ad hominem attacks are sometimes good. It's reasonable to evaluate a source before you trust what comes out of that source. For example, I have ample experience being lied to by Donald Trump and therefore I feel comfortable ignoring most of what he says or assuming it's a lie. There is too much information in the world today to not rely on filters like the reputation of and your experience with the source.
  - stcredzero 8y ago
    Ad hominem attacks are sometimes good. Only in that they reveal the intellectually dishonest.
laretluval 8y ago
Townhall is a well-known conservative website. Are you surprised they are running articles arguing for conservative points? Or do you think those headlines are outside the bounds of reasonable discourse?
- eunoia 8y ago
  > Townhall is a well-known conservative website. I didn't know that, and apparently neither did the poster of that link. > Or do you think those headlines are outside the bounds of reasonable discourse? My only intention was to point out potential bias. Now that you mention it though, no, I don't think a headline like "Liberalism Must Be Destroyed" is making a good faith effort to start a reasonable discourse. I think it's pandering to the kind of destructive tribal political think that has rendered productive political discourse basically nonexistent these days. And I would say the same if the title was "Conservatism Must Be Destroyed" Edit: I read the articles. Those headlines might honestly be understating the level of bias. I don't event want to sully HN with that level of pathological tribal political nonsense. For example, regardless of your opinion on guns (I own one personally), to pretend like this is what healthy political discourse looks like is completely unacceptable. > Ignore the liberals who want an America where you disarmed and defenseless against the tyranny they dream of imposing. Ignore the hateful teens MSNBCNN spotlight and the Hollywood virtue signalers who harangue you from behind armed guards. Ignore the blue falcon Democrat vets who think their tour in Iraq means they earned some sort of moral authority to dictate to you what guns you do and don’t need. If that’s how it works, I did 27 years, so doesn’t my guidance that you should totally buy an AR-15 count? No? Oh, right – their vetsplaining is just manipulative liberal baloney. > Instead, be guided by science. The science, supported by experience, make clear what you need to do. Buy guns and ammunition. Get an AR-15. > Gee, why do liberals hate science so much?
  - stcredzero 8y ago
    no, I don't think a headline like "Liberalism Must Be Destroyed" is making a good faith effort to start a reasonable discourse. Funny, but I've seen such headlines from the Far Left directed at centrist liberals!
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stcredzero 8y ago

Edit: I am embarrassed to have linked to such a publication, but will not modify my original words. No, don't be. Don't be swayed by guilt by association. That is a tool of oppressors. Evaluate information and arguments on their merits. You can't keep ideologies honest if you're not allowed to evaluate and possibly "fire" them and seek alternatives. Are you wedded to the "flag" or "label" or to the principles represented by them?