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I was thinking about getting a volvo, not a google car, so this is a deal breaker for me.

pavel_lishin 8y ago
Can you follow up on that? What if the Volvo, other than Google's involvement, was otherwise the best vehicle for you? Would you get an otherwise worse car, just because of the G stamp on it?
- jacquesm 8y ago
  Probably yes. I don't think cars need 'bundled' software any more than computers do. Open standards such as the DIN dash mounts for in car entertainment systems do just fine. I've never seen an integrated audio system that I like, usually they're junk to begin with and they are obsolete long before the car is and hard - or sometimes even impossible - to get rid of.
- leowoo91 8y ago
  Well, I like how they are not hard on design and their kept focus on the safety since. That fits to my character. Of course I could still get a volvo, but a year earlier / non-android version.
- musage 8y ago
  If you had to pick between a mediocre sandwich and a great sandwich, and the great sandwich had a big fat human turd sitting on it, would you still pick it because it's better "other than having a turd sitting on it"? (Mind you, even deluding yourself into thinking of the turd as a "turd stamp", whatever that is, will not change the taste one bit.)
mrep 8y ago
This is the opposite for me. I'm switching from an iphone to an android mainly so I can use android auto with google maps support in my new car. Google assistant is the cherry on top. This would be nice though since I would not have to switch phones just to get around apple carplay forcing their garbage maps on me.
- Lio 8y ago
  You’ll have to excuse me as I don’t have a car with Apple CarPlay but can’t you just use Google Maps with an iPhone in preference to Apple Maps? At least that’s the case for normal iOS use.
  - mrep 8y ago
    Apple carplay and android auto allow you to view windows displayed by your phone on your car screen. While I can use google maps with it and get the voice directions, it does not support displaying the map on my car screen for google maps, only apple maps. I want to be able to quickly look at the physical map on the big screen in my car while driving like so: https://www.google.com/search?q=android+auto+maps&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjH-o-RqPTaAhXmxVQKHcqdDwEQ_AUICygC&biw=1440&bih=776&dpr=2 https://www.google.com/search?q=android+auto+maps&tbm=isch&s...
    - Lio 8y ago
      Yuck. That's a perfect example of Apple making decisions for its benefit instead of its customers. I feel the same way about iCloud vs third party storage services for things like photo syncing. :(
  - kalleboo 8y ago
    CarPlay does not let you use any maps app aside from Apple Maps. Which is a dealbreaker since where I live Apple Maps are terrible (and Google Maps aren't great either, I use a local mapping app)
chicob 8y ago
Anyone with concerns about privacy and thinking about buying a car in Europe should have eCall in mind. An European citizen unwilling to have an embedded system that tracks location, accesses mic and transmit GPS data has three options: burn the SIM card module, buy a pre-April-2018 car or something outside the EU.
- paganel 8y ago
  By the looks of it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tC_NX5D8AA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tC_NX5D8AA) the latest Suzuki Jimny still doesn't have a built-in navigation or anything like that, it will probably be on my to-buy-list in 6 or 7 years when (and if) I decide to buy a new SH car. I like my cars with a very plain and simple interior, just AC and a basic radio/CD player it's perfect for me.
  - chicob 8y ago
    Less is more, I guess. Suzuki's Jimny is one of the few (if not the only) 4x4 available that is not an SUV. At least around here. If you're looking for minimalism, you should take a look at Bollinger's B1 (https://bollingermotors.com/ https://bollingermotors.com/)
wintorez 8y ago
Get a BMW
- vlozko 8y ago
  Too bad they want to charge a yearly subscription fee to use CarPlay. I didn't have to pay anything extra with my Honda. https://www.engadget.com/2018/01/20/bmw-to-switch-apple-carplay-to-subscription-service/ https://www.engadget.com/2018/01/20/bmw-to-switch-apple-carp...

Can you follow up on that? What if the Volvo, other than Google's involvement, was otherwise the best vehicle for you? Would you get an otherwise worse car, just because of the G stamp on it?

jacquesm 8y ago
Probably yes. I don't think cars need 'bundled' software any more than computers do. Open standards such as the DIN dash mounts for in car entertainment systems do just fine. I've never seen an integrated audio system that I like, usually they're junk to begin with and they are obsolete long before the car is and hard - or sometimes even impossible - to get rid of.
leowoo91 8y ago
Well, I like how they are not hard on design and their kept focus on the safety since. That fits to my character. Of course I could still get a volvo, but a year earlier / non-android version.
musage 8y ago
If you had to pick between a mediocre sandwich and a great sandwich, and the great sandwich had a big fat human turd sitting on it, would you still pick it because it's better "other than having a turd sitting on it"? (Mind you, even deluding yourself into thinking of the turd as a "turd stamp", whatever that is, will not change the taste one bit.)

mrep 8y ago

This is the opposite for me. I'm switching from an iphone to an android mainly so I can use android auto with google maps support in my new car. Google assistant is the cherry on top. This would be nice though since I would not have to switch phones just to get around apple carplay forcing their garbage maps on me.

Lio 8y ago
You’ll have to excuse me as I don’t have a car with Apple CarPlay but can’t you just use Google Maps with an iPhone in preference to Apple Maps? At least that’s the case for normal iOS use.
- mrep 8y ago
  Apple carplay and android auto allow you to view windows displayed by your phone on your car screen. While I can use google maps with it and get the voice directions, it does not support displaying the map on my car screen for google maps, only apple maps. I want to be able to quickly look at the physical map on the big screen in my car while driving like so: https://www.google.com/search?q=android+auto+maps&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjH-o-RqPTaAhXmxVQKHcqdDwEQ_AUICygC&biw=1440&bih=776&dpr=2 https://www.google.com/search?q=android+auto+maps&tbm=isch&s...
  - Lio 8y ago
    Yuck. That's a perfect example of Apple making decisions for its benefit instead of its customers. I feel the same way about iCloud vs third party storage services for things like photo syncing. :(
- kalleboo 8y ago
  CarPlay does not let you use any maps app aside from Apple Maps. Which is a dealbreaker since where I live Apple Maps are terrible (and Google Maps aren't great either, I use a local mapping app)

chicob 8y ago

Anyone with concerns about privacy and thinking about buying a car in Europe should have eCall in mind. An European citizen unwilling to have an embedded system that tracks location, accesses mic and transmit GPS data has three options: burn the SIM card module, buy a pre-April-2018 car or something outside the EU.

paganel 8y ago
By the looks of it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tC_NX5D8AA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tC_NX5D8AA) the latest Suzuki Jimny still doesn't have a built-in navigation or anything like that, it will probably be on my to-buy-list in 6 or 7 years when (and if) I decide to buy a new SH car. I like my cars with a very plain and simple interior, just AC and a basic radio/CD player it's perfect for me.
- chicob 8y ago
  Less is more, I guess. Suzuki's Jimny is one of the few (if not the only) 4x4 available that is not an SUV. At least around here. If you're looking for minimalism, you should take a look at Bollinger's B1 (https://bollingermotors.com/ https://bollingermotors.com/)

wintorez 8y ago

Get a BMW

vlozko 8y ago
Too bad they want to charge a yearly subscription fee to use CarPlay. I didn't have to pay anything extra with my Honda. https://www.engadget.com/2018/01/20/bmw-to-switch-apple-carplay-to-subscription-service/ https://www.engadget.com/2018/01/20/bmw-to-switch-apple-carp...