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I think so. But I'm not sure why that would be a bad thing. The Uber built system was designed to fully replace such systems.

by jsight 8y ago

nasmorn 8y ago
Hubris is the reason it is bad.
leggomylibro 8y ago
As long as Uber's system logged which automatic brake was triggered - or simply failed to log that its own braking system stepped in - it could have saved a life without impacting the data gathered. They didn't put a tarp over the windshield; why get rid of other proven safety features?
- carlosdp 8y ago
  You don't generally want multiple autonomous control systems in a single vehicle competing with each other for control. There are scenarios where the less-sophisticated collision avoidance radar could do the unsafe thing where the self-driving system has a more holistic plan. Basically, there's no reason the self-driving tech shouldn't have been way more effective than the collision avoidance radar other than Uber royally screwed up. The LIDAR and other sensors should have (and by this article, likely did) detected the woman long before the vehicle was in striking distance, much longer range than the forward radar.
  - jameshart 8y ago
    That argument applies equally to human drivers competing for control of a vehicle with automated braking systems. Are there not also scenarios where the less-sophisticated collision avoidance radar could do the unsafe thing where the human has a more holistic plan? If not, why not?
  - js8 8y ago
    > There are scenarios where the less-sophisticated collision avoidance radar could do the unsafe thing where the self-driving system has a more holistic plan. Like, for example, this plan? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od5YG6kBrJs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od5YG6kBrJs I believe the whole thing will require better conceptualization of something that we call crew resource management for human teams. That is, how do you respond if you have conflicting information?
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  - vkou 8y ago
    > You don't generally want multiple autonomous control systems in a single vehicle competing with each other for control. And yet, every modern car has two such systems, competing for control, all the time. 1. The car's safety systems. 2. The human driver.

I think so. But I'm not sure why that would be a bad thing. The Uber built system was designed to fully replace such systems.

by jsight 8y ago

I think so. But I'm not sure why that would be a bad thing. The Uber built system was designed to fully replace such systems.

nasmorn 8y ago

Hubris is the reason it is bad.

leggomylibro 8y ago

As long as Uber's system logged which automatic brake was triggered - or simply failed to log that its own braking system stepped in - it could have saved a life without impacting the data gathered. They didn't put a tarp over the windshield; why get rid of other proven safety features?

carlosdp 8y ago
You don't generally want multiple autonomous control systems in a single vehicle competing with each other for control. There are scenarios where the less-sophisticated collision avoidance radar could do the unsafe thing where the self-driving system has a more holistic plan. Basically, there's no reason the self-driving tech shouldn't have been way more effective than the collision avoidance radar other than Uber royally screwed up. The LIDAR and other sensors should have (and by this article, likely did) detected the woman long before the vehicle was in striking distance, much longer range than the forward radar.
- jameshart 8y ago
  That argument applies equally to human drivers competing for control of a vehicle with automated braking systems. Are there not also scenarios where the less-sophisticated collision avoidance radar could do the unsafe thing where the human has a more holistic plan? If not, why not?
- js8 8y ago
  > There are scenarios where the less-sophisticated collision avoidance radar could do the unsafe thing where the self-driving system has a more holistic plan. Like, for example, this plan? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od5YG6kBrJs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od5YG6kBrJs I believe the whole thing will require better conceptualization of something that we call crew resource management for human teams. That is, how do you respond if you have conflicting information?
- deleted 8y ago
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- vkou 8y ago
  > You don't generally want multiple autonomous control systems in a single vehicle competing with each other for control. And yet, every modern car has two such systems, competing for control, all the time. 1. The car's safety systems. 2. The human driver.