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I know of absolutely no people that use Mastadon. There might be a niche somewhere that uses it, but I can’t help to think that it would hurt rather than help a

I know of absolutely no people that use Mastadon. There might be a niche somewhere that uses it, but I can’t help to think that it would hurt rather than help any hobby project to choose Mastadon over Twitter.

ColinWright 9y ago
Firstly, there's no reason to choose only one and not the other. Tweeting on Twitter and tooting on Mastodon can be done with a single command once you've set it up. I'd've thought that was a no brainer. Secondly, I use Mastodon, and I'm on an instance with just over 1000 users. There are over 150K users on the main instance.
- fao_ 9y ago
  > Secondly, I use Mastodon, and I'm on an instance with just over 1000 users. There are over 150K users on the main instance. For most people I know and follow, that's like, the low bar of twitter follower counts.
  - sp332 9y ago
    Fortunately it's not related to follower counts. You can follow people from other instances.
  - deleted 9y ago
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  - ColinWright 9y ago
    While I acknowledge that numbers are numbers, to some extent, that's not really the point. If you find a Mastodon instance that has a community that's closely matched to your interests, suddenly that's 1K or 10K or 100K of high-quality followers. And the smaller instances don't suffer the Twitter firehose problem. The instances I use, I watch all the toots, not just those of people I follow. So it's not the number of followers that matters, per se, it's the number of people who see what you say. On Twitter that will only be your followers, but on Mastodon it's pretty much everyone on the instance (for the smaller instances). More, you can be followed by, and have your toots seen by, people on other instances. But my other point remains - there is no need to be exclusively on one or the other. It's comparatively trivial to put everything on both media. If you can do that, and you care about your audience (quantity and quality), why wouldn't you?
    - fao_ 9y ago
      > that's not really the point. That's exactly the point though. If you put amount of people you are likely to reach above technical problems, then going solely to a service where the "high" follower count is 1/100th of the high follower counts on another is completely stupid. > But my other point remains - there is no need to be exclusively on one or the other. It's comparatively trivial to put everything on both media. Oh, I agree.
  - rhizome 9y ago
    With or without bots?
  - dredmorbius 9y ago
    See: Price's Law. User count isn't everything. Price's well-known square root law states that half of the literature on a subject will be contributed by the square root of the total number of authors publishing in that area.... https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222619181_Price%27s_square_root_law_Empirical_validity_and_relation_to_Lotka%27s_law https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222619181_Price%27s... Mastodon Monitoring Project https://mnm.social https://mnm.social https://dashboards.mnm.social https://dashboards.mnm.social Also: http://sp3r4z.fr/mastodon/general http://sp3r4z.fr/mastodon/general About 1.3 million users, 120m statuses (I believe that's cumulative). Twitter: https://www.statisticbrain.com/twitter-statistics/ https://www.statisticbrain.com/twitter-statistics/ ~700m users, ~340m active. 58m tweets/dy. I'd compare sqrt of both. That's ~1,100 vs 26,000 top users.
JasonFruit 9y ago
I used Mastodon for a while, and it was a pretty good experience. I guess I just found it wasn't my crowd; every other person with something interesting to say turned out to be a "demi-girl otherkin fur-friend," or something like that, and while I am happy for people to have a place to do their thing — exercise your liberty, fur-friend! — I came to feel a bit out of place. It seems like its strong secondary focus on trigger warnings and safe spaces draws too narrow an audience to achieve wide adoption.
- Angostura 9y ago
  Similar experience, but I suspect it depends rather on which local instance you join. Unfortunately, while this is some respects a strength (find a likeminded server, have fun) it also adds significant complexity to the UX.
- ColinWright 9y ago
  That depends heavily on the instance you choose. There's much, much less of that on the instance I'm (mainly) on. And if they're saying interesting things, why do you care if they turn out to have a different lifestyle from yours? Pick a different instance and try again.
  - anigbrowl 9y ago
    But that defeats the whole point. Yeah it's nice that you can have your sub-communities but the value of Twitter such as it is is that it;s the universal default microblogging platform in the English-speaking world. Almost everyone who is important in society is accessible via Twitter, just the way that having an email address is a universal default. When someone is telling you that their experience of a product or service sucks, and you tell them to use it differently, you're failing to understand them.
    - ColinWright 9y ago
      I'm not telling people they're using it wrongly, I'm saying that Mastodon has benefits that they may not (yet) have realised, and that it's not Twitter. This is why I say that using both is a perfectly reasonable option. And Mastodon is not Twitter. Twitter does have some advantages over Mastodon, and if that's what you want or need, then great. But if you want a quality audience, Mastodon might be a reasonable alternative, and criticising it for not being the same as Twitter, or using the same metrics that you use for Twitter, is misguided. I'm not good at analogies - never have been - but let me try one. If someone tells me that their experience of using my car sucks and I point out that it's a stick-shift and not an automatic, that's not my failure to understand them, that's me providing information to try to help them get the most out of an alternative experience. Choosing an instance that matches your interests is part of the federated/non-centralised experience. It's different, and for some, like me, there is value in that difference.
jordigh 9y ago
You know of two now: me and Colin.

ColinWright 9y ago

Firstly, there's no reason to choose only one and not the other. Tweeting on Twitter and tooting on Mastodon can be done with a single command once you've set it up. I'd've thought that was a no brainer. Secondly, I use Mastodon, and I'm on an instance with just over 1000 users. There are over 150K users on the main instance.

fao_ 9y ago
> Secondly, I use Mastodon, and I'm on an instance with just over 1000 users. There are over 150K users on the main instance. For most people I know and follow, that's like, the low bar of twitter follower counts.
- sp332 9y ago
  Fortunately it's not related to follower counts. You can follow people from other instances.
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]
- ColinWright 9y ago
  While I acknowledge that numbers are numbers, to some extent, that's not really the point. If you find a Mastodon instance that has a community that's closely matched to your interests, suddenly that's 1K or 10K or 100K of high-quality followers. And the smaller instances don't suffer the Twitter firehose problem. The instances I use, I watch all the toots, not just those of people I follow. So it's not the number of followers that matters, per se, it's the number of people who see what you say. On Twitter that will only be your followers, but on Mastodon it's pretty much everyone on the instance (for the smaller instances). More, you can be followed by, and have your toots seen by, people on other instances. But my other point remains - there is no need to be exclusively on one or the other. It's comparatively trivial to put everything on both media. If you can do that, and you care about your audience (quantity and quality), why wouldn't you?
  - fao_ 9y ago
    > that's not really the point. That's exactly the point though. If you put amount of people you are likely to reach above technical problems, then going solely to a service where the "high" follower count is 1/100th of the high follower counts on another is completely stupid. > But my other point remains - there is no need to be exclusively on one or the other. It's comparatively trivial to put everything on both media. Oh, I agree.
- rhizome 9y ago
  With or without bots?
- dredmorbius 9y ago
  See: Price's Law. User count isn't everything. Price's well-known square root law states that half of the literature on a subject will be contributed by the square root of the total number of authors publishing in that area.... https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222619181_Price%27s_square_root_law_Empirical_validity_and_relation_to_Lotka%27s_law https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222619181_Price%27s... Mastodon Monitoring Project https://mnm.social https://mnm.social https://dashboards.mnm.social https://dashboards.mnm.social Also: http://sp3r4z.fr/mastodon/general http://sp3r4z.fr/mastodon/general About 1.3 million users, 120m statuses (I believe that's cumulative). Twitter: https://www.statisticbrain.com/twitter-statistics/ https://www.statisticbrain.com/twitter-statistics/ ~700m users, ~340m active. 58m tweets/dy. I'd compare sqrt of both. That's ~1,100 vs 26,000 top users.

JasonFruit 9y ago

I used Mastodon for a while, and it was a pretty good experience. I guess I just found it wasn't my crowd; every other person with something interesting to say turned out to be a "demi-girl otherkin fur-friend," or something like that, and while I am happy for people to have a place to do their thing — exercise your liberty, fur-friend! — I came to feel a bit out of place. It seems like its strong secondary focus on trigger warnings and safe spaces draws too narrow an audience to achieve wide adoption.

Angostura 9y ago
Similar experience, but I suspect it depends rather on which local instance you join. Unfortunately, while this is some respects a strength (find a likeminded server, have fun) it also adds significant complexity to the UX.
ColinWright 9y ago
That depends heavily on the instance you choose. There's much, much less of that on the instance I'm (mainly) on. And if they're saying interesting things, why do you care if they turn out to have a different lifestyle from yours? Pick a different instance and try again.
- anigbrowl 9y ago
  But that defeats the whole point. Yeah it's nice that you can have your sub-communities but the value of Twitter such as it is is that it;s the universal default microblogging platform in the English-speaking world. Almost everyone who is important in society is accessible via Twitter, just the way that having an email address is a universal default. When someone is telling you that their experience of a product or service sucks, and you tell them to use it differently, you're failing to understand them.
  - ColinWright 9y ago
    I'm not telling people they're using it wrongly, I'm saying that Mastodon has benefits that they may not (yet) have realised, and that it's not Twitter. This is why I say that using both is a perfectly reasonable option. And Mastodon is not Twitter. Twitter does have some advantages over Mastodon, and if that's what you want or need, then great. But if you want a quality audience, Mastodon might be a reasonable alternative, and criticising it for not being the same as Twitter, or using the same metrics that you use for Twitter, is misguided. I'm not good at analogies - never have been - but let me try one. If someone tells me that their experience of using my car sucks and I point out that it's a stick-shift and not an automatic, that's not my failure to understand them, that's me providing information to try to help them get the most out of an alternative experience. Choosing an instance that matches your interests is part of the federated/non-centralised experience. It's different, and for some, like me, there is value in that difference.

jordigh 9y ago

You know of two now: me and Colin.