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I don't understand, is the "ego" just an illusion? Not the one who downvoted you btw. I did read somewhere that Buddhism doesn't have the concept of ego, which

by Pimpus 8y ago

I don't understand, is the "ego" just an illusion? Not the one who downvoted you btw. I did read somewhere that Buddhism doesn't have the concept of ego, which genuinely confuses me as there seems to be a very real process occurring in our brains that labels and categorizes information, which introduces distortion and the "ignorance" that leads to delusion and suffering (in the Buddhist view).

blueprint 8y ago
Illusion? It depends on the exact range of your definition of the term. What exists itself is the truth. Who can see it as it is? No one can speak of something they haven't seen as it is. Every living thing suffers.
- Pimpus 8y ago
  No offense, but this wasn't helpful to me. I feel like you're speaking in riddles now. Do you have any sources I could read up on?
  - blueprint 8y ago
    I had a short time to reply and wanted to tell you the information you needed. It takes time to confirm. Every living thing suffers means to stop suffering then you have to die forever. Really think Buddha taught that? People don't need a rare master's help to do that lol
    - Pimpus 8y ago
      > I had a short time to reply and wanted to tell you the information you needed. I understand, thanks for taking the time to reply in the first place. I apologize if I was curt, but I found your posts here hard to understand. Reading your past comments helped elucidate what you mean. I'm going to sleep now and I'm finding HN frustrating (I couldn't reply to you when I first saw your post) -- how can I contact you? I'm curious how you came to know what you know and if you had a teacher (your past comments hint that you did). I would like to find a good teacher, but I've been dismayed by my contacts with spiritual people and truth seekers. They are nice people, but they all seemed delusional and I had a bad gut reaction to them. You also seem delusional to some extent: you engage in pedantry and over-rationalization (I also do the latter so I recognize it easily). I do find certain delusions to be useful and engage in them consciously for my and others' benefit. Anyway, I want a teacher because my search has been haphazard and I basically stumbled onto my current elevated awareness (in comparison to my previous self) by sheer luck. Thanks for posting on HN, even if people don't always want to hear you!
      - blueprint 8y ago
        You need to ask lots of questions and we need to keep checking you understand in every detail. That can take a long time. The best situation would be for you to meet an enlightened being and observe what they say and do but unfortunately there are none alive. You would notice that they advise you not to say what you have not confirmed and can help you confirm the difference between your thought that you are aware, and things in reality. This is a very difficult process for 95% of people to undergo and accept. So, if you don't mind, could you tell me first of all what you really want to know? Lots of people said they want teaching but after they get something they want they usually leave and don't come back. As for delusion when you say that to someone please provide something they can confirm.
  - xaedes 8y ago
    I think it means ego is just a label for a thing in the world. What exist itself is the truth. Not the label. The call for a try to define ego as a precise as possible ("as a mathematician") and in the sibling post from user blueprint probably shall make you attemt just this, but fail at it. I think the "ego" dies when you see what you are looking for in what it is. Not in words not in labels not in labels. Just become aware that your model-maker is trying to model the world that really is there. You are what you are beyond the modeling process. What exist itself is the truth How could you describe it? How could you speak of it? Doing so requires modeling it and therefore it is not the real thing anymore. Therefore you can not really speak about "it" without just referring to a experienced experience. No one can speak of something they haven't seen as it is. Trying to thinking about the "real" world behind and trying to grasp and feel and see it all at once as it is gives me funny tingly feeling in my stomach. But thats is probably not what the they mean. One fun thing to consider: When there are no models no labels no boundaries no judgements, where does something start and where does it end? Does that even make sense? Objectively the real world is just what it is, one. No things at all. These are just models. The underlying world is still what it is. One.
    - blueprint 8y ago
      May I mention to you that I differ from your interpretation? > Objectively the real world is just what it is, one. No things at all. These are just models. The underlying world is still what it is. One. What is the answer of 1+1?
      - xaedes 8y ago
        Depends, lets say 2. Math. Is it access to a real realm of reality or just a bunch of tools to help us make it in the world? Yea thats a good question. Looks like a question where my answer is probably "both".
        blueprint 8y ago
        I used mathematics as an example to give you a sense of what things in reality (truth) are like. People don't perceive what is in the world of the truth just by learning what exists there from someone who can see and say it. Nevertheless, if you learn and use the truth, such as in your work, you can get what you want. You just won't be able to confirm how much of the whole thing you can see, lacking enlightenment. By the way, everyone is in reality. So how can you say "access" to a real "realm" of reality? When you decide you have something to you want to know, ask me again.

by Pimpus 8y ago

blueprint 8y ago

Illusion? It depends on the exact range of your definition of the term. What exists itself is the truth. Who can see it as it is? No one can speak of something they haven't seen as it is. Every living thing suffers.

Pimpus 8y ago
No offense, but this wasn't helpful to me. I feel like you're speaking in riddles now. Do you have any sources I could read up on?
- blueprint 8y ago
  I had a short time to reply and wanted to tell you the information you needed. It takes time to confirm. Every living thing suffers means to stop suffering then you have to die forever. Really think Buddha taught that? People don't need a rare master's help to do that lol
  - Pimpus 8y ago
    > I had a short time to reply and wanted to tell you the information you needed. I understand, thanks for taking the time to reply in the first place. I apologize if I was curt, but I found your posts here hard to understand. Reading your past comments helped elucidate what you mean. I'm going to sleep now and I'm finding HN frustrating (I couldn't reply to you when I first saw your post) -- how can I contact you? I'm curious how you came to know what you know and if you had a teacher (your past comments hint that you did). I would like to find a good teacher, but I've been dismayed by my contacts with spiritual people and truth seekers. They are nice people, but they all seemed delusional and I had a bad gut reaction to them. You also seem delusional to some extent: you engage in pedantry and over-rationalization (I also do the latter so I recognize it easily). I do find certain delusions to be useful and engage in them consciously for my and others' benefit. Anyway, I want a teacher because my search has been haphazard and I basically stumbled onto my current elevated awareness (in comparison to my previous self) by sheer luck. Thanks for posting on HN, even if people don't always want to hear you!
    - blueprint 8y ago
      You need to ask lots of questions and we need to keep checking you understand in every detail. That can take a long time. The best situation would be for you to meet an enlightened being and observe what they say and do but unfortunately there are none alive. You would notice that they advise you not to say what you have not confirmed and can help you confirm the difference between your thought that you are aware, and things in reality. This is a very difficult process for 95% of people to undergo and accept. So, if you don't mind, could you tell me first of all what you really want to know? Lots of people said they want teaching but after they get something they want they usually leave and don't come back. As for delusion when you say that to someone please provide something they can confirm.
- xaedes 8y ago
  I think it means ego is just a label for a thing in the world. What exist itself is the truth. Not the label. The call for a try to define ego as a precise as possible ("as a mathematician") and in the sibling post from user blueprint probably shall make you attemt just this, but fail at it. I think the "ego" dies when you see what you are looking for in what it is. Not in words not in labels not in labels. Just become aware that your model-maker is trying to model the world that really is there. You are what you are beyond the modeling process. What exist itself is the truth How could you describe it? How could you speak of it? Doing so requires modeling it and therefore it is not the real thing anymore. Therefore you can not really speak about "it" without just referring to a experienced experience. No one can speak of something they haven't seen as it is. Trying to thinking about the "real" world behind and trying to grasp and feel and see it all at once as it is gives me funny tingly feeling in my stomach. But thats is probably not what the they mean. One fun thing to consider: When there are no models no labels no boundaries no judgements, where does something start and where does it end? Does that even make sense? Objectively the real world is just what it is, one. No things at all. These are just models. The underlying world is still what it is. One.
  - blueprint 8y ago
    May I mention to you that I differ from your interpretation? > Objectively the real world is just what it is, one. No things at all. These are just models. The underlying world is still what it is. One. What is the answer of 1+1?
    - xaedes 8y ago
      Depends, lets say 2. Math. Is it access to a real realm of reality or just a bunch of tools to help us make it in the world? Yea thats a good question. Looks like a question where my answer is probably "both".
      - blueprint 8y ago
        I used mathematics as an example to give you a sense of what things in reality (truth) are like. People don't perceive what is in the world of the truth just by learning what exists there from someone who can see and say it. Nevertheless, if you learn and use the truth, such as in your work, you can get what you want. You just won't be able to confirm how much of the whole thing you can see, lacking enlightenment. By the way, everyone is in reality. So how can you say "access" to a real "realm" of reality? When you decide you have something to you want to know, ask me again.