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Just a datapoint: if you "discourage" my browser, I go away and don't come back. Same with EME - I will not need your efforts in my life. I've yet to find a si
by _jal 9y ago
Just a datapoint: if you "discourage" my browser, I go away and don't come back. Same with EME - I will not need your efforts in my life.
I've yet to find a site so great that I'll disable security or switch browsers to use them. (Work is an exception; somehow there's always some crappy site with needy requirements. But that's my employer's browser/computer, and the sites aren't major publishers.)
So I hope your manager did their cost-benefit well. I don't know too many publishers in a position to be selective about their readers. But I suspect I know who you're talking about, and won't personally won't miss any of their properties.
- modzu 9y agoand then there are those sites that force redirect you to their app or load in some artificially disabled version of itself..
- pimeys 9y agoAtlassian products such as Confluence and Jira are some of those tools where I need to disable uMatrix completely to not get a crazy redirect loop when I try to login. Luckily we're leaving Atlassian quite soon, their sites have been such a pain to use for many reasons.
- anc84 9y agoWhat are the bug reports on uMatrix for this?
- pimeys 9y agoDon't really know what's going on with this. Now when I just disable uMatrix and ublock origin, I still get that redirect loop and I'm just not able to use Jira/Confluence. Luckily I don't need to use these products that often, so when I read something I just use our Slack bot to see the ticket.
- aleh 9y agoI guess this may happen if browser doesn't accept third-party cookies.
- rosege 9y agowhat will you replace Confluence with?
- pimeys 9y agoWe'll change our whole business model and do 100% open source, so I guess it'll be Github.
- jamie_ca 9y agoYou mean GitLab? GitHub is free, but definitely not open source (and has never pretended to be).
- nancyp 9y agoGithub is 100% open source. News to me.
- omnimus 9y agoI believe he meant their product will be open-sourced so it will have home at github.
- rosege 9y agoWe use confluence for internal documentation that we wouldnt want public. Can that be done with Github or is your confluence used for public documentation?
- acidburnNSA 9y agoPhabricator is a reasonable alternative for tasks, repos, CI, and a simple wiki. Not as polished on the wiki side as confluence but overall a good free alternative to Atlassian.
- ethagnawl 9y agoI've also seen this behavior when trying to use Jira in Firefox. It's been a few months, but I was pretty certain it was because I had third-party cookies disabled.
- carry_bit 9y agoTry disabling referrer spoofing; it helped for me.
- mkirklions 9y ago>if you "discourage" my browser, I go away and don't come back. Yep, there are lots of major news websites I dont visit at all. I know they are going to have an annoying autoplay video. I'll skip to the comment section.
- mcherm 9y ago> if you "discourage" my browser, I go away and don't come back. If the site is supported by ad revenue and you actively refuse to permitany ad revenue is it really a loss to the publisher if you leave?
- syntheticnature 9y agoDepends on whether you share the links to others who run without ad blocking in place.
- Zarel 9y agoFrom the linked post: "I tried telling him that the people who use adblockers are likely to share more content, which brings in non-adblock users. However, that is also falling apart as adblock users are bringing other adblock users."
- sowbug 9y agoSo the site's owners and employees should work for you for free because you're giving them exposure. https://www.reddit.com/r/choosingbeggars https://www.reddit.com/r/choosingbeggars would enjoy discussing that proposition.
- lukasLansky 9y agoIt really depends on their marginal costs of serving single customer. I would guess that for text content producers, it's costly to produce content and cheap to show it. Then it makes sense to price discriminate (to show ads / ask for subscriptions as much as you can), but not refuse service to anyone able to bring any kind of revenue, even accounting second-order effects such as more exposure. You can still see cases where publishers choose to not show stuff to anyone, but that's an artifact of imperfect ability of the publisher to discern between customers that would pay and the customer's that wouldn't -- they don't want to make a mistake to disincentivize someone able to pay from paying. You can see when they try and allow access from FB shares for example. This makes it completely different from asking actual people for free work: person's price of time is expensive and it's rarely useful to give it away.
- mywittyname 9y agoThat's the point: they don't want you because you cost them money to serve.