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> Imagine you offer up some changes, and they are rejected out of hand. You get a twitter DM full of abusive language. Should they have not had a twitter accoun

> Imagine you offer up some changes, and they are rejected out of hand. You get a twitter DM full of abusive language. Should they have not had a twitter account with the same name as their github account where they talk about personal issues? That's would be a problem anyhow, no matter who is affected. Your ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation is not relevant to that particular case, so why bring it up at all? Why make it the core of your argument?

vertex-four 9y ago
Believe it or not, the vast majority of abuse of this sort happens to members of minority groups due primarily to their existence as part of said group. Shock, horror, etc. And do you know what? You're protected by the same code of conduct anyway, even if you do suffer that by some fluke. The Rust Code of Conduct has one line which states "We are committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all", followed by a listing of example characteristics under which people are commonly discriminated against - the basic assumption being that a person who isn't discriminated against doesn't need to be told that they're welcome, they already know that they are, the same as they don't need to be told that they're welcome before they apply to university or pop into their local bar or decide to rent a place in a "nice" neighbourhood or decide to take a midnight stroll. Later, there's a reference to a list of actions which are commonly considered "harassment", which includes things like "deliberate intimidation, stalking or following", which apply to anybody. Are you a man being sexually harassed by a man, woman, or non-binary person? That's included too, under "unwelcome sexual attention"!
Latty 9y ago
It is relevant, because they are the people who get targeted repeatedly. Again, it's easy to say it shouldn't be the focus when you aren't the person getting harassed repeatedly. It's fair that they want to know they can feel safe and contribute to a project - being explicit that they are welcome is important to helping these people overcome the adversity they face. Why is it a problem for you that their issues are voiced? You said before it was a "disproportionate amount of energy being spent", but for the people spending that energy, it's not - it's their work or hobby being messed up time and again, and they are defending it. Beyond that, the work being done is for anybody - it's not limited to those cases - but you say yourself you don't face these problems. These issues affect some people more - so why is it surprising that the solutions focus on them (but not exclusively)?

vertex-four 9y ago

Believe it or not, the vast majority of abuse of this sort happens to members of minority groups due primarily to their existence as part of said group. Shock, horror, etc. And do you know what? You're protected by the same code of conduct anyway, even if you do suffer that by some fluke. The Rust Code of Conduct has one line which states "We are committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all", followed by a listing of example characteristics under which people are commonly discriminated against - the basic assumption being that a person who isn't discriminated against doesn't need to be told that they're welcome, they already know that they are, the same as they don't need to be told that they're welcome before they apply to university or pop into their local bar or decide to rent a place in a "nice" neighbourhood or decide to take a midnight stroll. Later, there's a reference to a list of actions which are commonly considered "harassment", which includes things like "deliberate intimidation, stalking or following", which apply to anybody. Are you a man being sexually harassed by a man, woman, or non-binary person? That's included too, under "unwelcome sexual attention"!

Latty 9y ago

It is relevant, because they are the people who get targeted repeatedly. Again, it's easy to say it shouldn't be the focus when you aren't the person getting harassed repeatedly. It's fair that they want to know they can feel safe and contribute to a project - being explicit that they are welcome is important to helping these people overcome the adversity they face. Why is it a problem for you that their issues are voiced? You said before it was a "disproportionate amount of energy being spent", but for the people spending that energy, it's not - it's their work or hobby being messed up time and again, and they are defending it. Beyond that, the work being done is for anybody - it's not limited to those cases - but you say yourself you don't face these problems. These issues affect some people more - so why is it surprising that the solutions focus on them (but not exclusively)?