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From the man who brought you "The Case for Non-Binary Genders" last year. No thanks.

by nukeop 8y ago

tw1010 8y ago
We shouldn't ostracise someone merely for presenting the case for something.
- nukeop 8y ago
  We should, if the something in question is destructive, immoral, or contrary to the public good. We don't have to tolerate every possible opinion just because some people are conflict-avoidant.
  - seba_dos1 8y ago
    That's exactly why you are [flagged][dead].
    - nukeop 8y ago
      Ok, and who cares really? Do you think you only have worth if you have many HN points?
      - mijoharas 8y ago
        > We should, if the something in question is destructive, immoral, or contrary to the public good. We don't have to tolerate every possible opinion just because some people are conflict-avoidant The point being made by the parent comment to yours is not that you have been fined "HN points", but that your opinions posted are toxic, "destructive, immoral, or contrary to the public good" which is why they have been deleted and flagged, (given what you just said, you should be celebrating this fact, though I assume since the communities views on toxicity differ from your own you will be decrying the censorship of your viewpoint).
  - SpecialistEMT 8y ago
    What's wrong with the topic?
  - dingo_bat 8y ago
    I agree that not all opinions need be accepted. But they do deserve a look. Also, a commit's author should be judged from his code quality, not from his opinion on random issues.
    - Cthulhu_ 8y ago
      > Also, a commit's author should be judged from his code quality, not from his opinion on random issues. You say that, but there's been a number of OS developers that have been ostracised and expelled from communities by something they (for example) tweeted. Contributors are rejected to contribute because they don't conform to a code of conduct. People lose jobs over being called out for jokes at conferences (and over calling out said jokes, both in part thanks to internet armies). So while in theory it should, in practice people will get vetted and judged for their online presence. In other words, the ye olde adage is still valid; don't be identifiable online. If you're an OS developer / contributor with an unpopular opinion, best to keep that part separate from your OS contributor profile. And keep your real name safe.
      - VLM 8y ago
        The oppression is exclusively from one extreme of the political spectrum directed rightward, which triggers anyone believing in fairness or freedom of speech.
    - DoofusOfDeath 8y ago
      I hope this comment won't be misconstrued as advocating for censorship: Is it really true that for no combination of position and person, it's a net negative for that person to consider the merits of that position? For example, should a recovering alcoholic consider an argument regarding one particular liquor being better than another?
      - dingo_bat 8y ago
        You're right. Every single opinion need not even be considered either. But people should be allowed to hold it and you shouldn't disadvantage them in an unrelated field because of it. I don't care if my coworker thinks that gay marriage is a sin. It is his right to hold that opinion. If he doesn't let it come in the way of his work it's fine. But that doesn't mean I am asking everybody to consider his viewpoint. If it is absurd enough for you you needn't worry about it.
dang 8y ago
Since you have a history of posting flamebait and personal attacks to Hacker News and we warned you about it before, we've banned this account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- deleted 8y ago
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- nukeop 8y ago
  Ok, I won't argue with that. I don't see any way I could convince you of anything believably, since I'm just some stranger on the internet. Please just do me a favor and delete all the posts I've ever made from this account, thanks.

From the man who brought you "The Case for Non-Binary Genders" last year. No thanks.

by nukeop 8y ago

From the man who brought you "The Case for Non-Binary Genders" last year. No thanks.

tw1010 8y ago

We shouldn't ostracise someone merely for presenting the case for something.

nukeop 8y ago
We should, if the something in question is destructive, immoral, or contrary to the public good. We don't have to tolerate every possible opinion just because some people are conflict-avoidant.
- seba_dos1 8y ago
  That's exactly why you are [flagged][dead].
  - nukeop 8y ago
    Ok, and who cares really? Do you think you only have worth if you have many HN points?
    - mijoharas 8y ago
      > We should, if the something in question is destructive, immoral, or contrary to the public good. We don't have to tolerate every possible opinion just because some people are conflict-avoidant The point being made by the parent comment to yours is not that you have been fined "HN points", but that your opinions posted are toxic, "destructive, immoral, or contrary to the public good" which is why they have been deleted and flagged, (given what you just said, you should be celebrating this fact, though I assume since the communities views on toxicity differ from your own you will be decrying the censorship of your viewpoint).
- SpecialistEMT 8y ago
  What's wrong with the topic?
- dingo_bat 8y ago
  I agree that not all opinions need be accepted. But they do deserve a look. Also, a commit's author should be judged from his code quality, not from his opinion on random issues.
  - Cthulhu_ 8y ago
    > Also, a commit's author should be judged from his code quality, not from his opinion on random issues. You say that, but there's been a number of OS developers that have been ostracised and expelled from communities by something they (for example) tweeted. Contributors are rejected to contribute because they don't conform to a code of conduct. People lose jobs over being called out for jokes at conferences (and over calling out said jokes, both in part thanks to internet armies). So while in theory it should, in practice people will get vetted and judged for their online presence. In other words, the ye olde adage is still valid; don't be identifiable online. If you're an OS developer / contributor with an unpopular opinion, best to keep that part separate from your OS contributor profile. And keep your real name safe.
    - VLM 8y ago
      The oppression is exclusively from one extreme of the political spectrum directed rightward, which triggers anyone believing in fairness or freedom of speech.
  - DoofusOfDeath 8y ago
    I hope this comment won't be misconstrued as advocating for censorship: Is it really true that for no combination of position and person, it's a net negative for that person to consider the merits of that position? For example, should a recovering alcoholic consider an argument regarding one particular liquor being better than another?
    - dingo_bat 8y ago
      You're right. Every single opinion need not even be considered either. But people should be allowed to hold it and you shouldn't disadvantage them in an unrelated field because of it. I don't care if my coworker thinks that gay marriage is a sin. It is his right to hold that opinion. If he doesn't let it come in the way of his work it's fine. But that doesn't mean I am asking everybody to consider his viewpoint. If it is absurd enough for you you needn't worry about it.

dang 8y ago

Since you have a history of posting flamebait and personal attacks to Hacker News and we warned you about it before, we've banned this account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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nukeop 8y ago
Ok, I won't argue with that. I don't see any way I could convince you of anything believably, since I'm just some stranger on the internet. Please just do me a favor and delete all the posts I've ever made from this account, thanks.