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Do you have a source for that? Wikipedia makes it seem like most of the people followed through with the experiment.

by firic 8y ago

nyolfen 8y ago
op may be referring to this: >“The notion that we somehow automatically obey authority, that we are somehow programmed, doesn’t account for the variability [in rates of obedience] across conditions,” he said; in some iterations of Milgram’s study, the rate of compliance was close to 100 percent, while in others it was closer to zero. “We need an account that can explain the variability—when we obey, when we don’t.” https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/rethinking-one-of-psychologys-most-infamous-experiments/384913/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/rethinkin... the experiment has recently come under more critical attention (along with much of social psychology)
classicsnoot 8y ago
Originally, i heard about it here[1]. You can read about the variability here[2]. But i would recommend searching for the raw data of the experiment, which i personally have not done. I would also recommend you read [3]. It is equally fascinating and horrifying. What is more, it is eerily prescient about where society has developed since Merloo wrote his book. To summarize (criminally), people do bad shit when they are forcefully conditioned to do so, and even then they fight back against this conditioning. You can hear it for yourself in the original recordings of the Milgram experiments; the actors tasked with being the "scientists" had to prod the subjects into doing the dirty. Make no mistake, i am a conservative that is deeply committed to the concept of the "fallen nature of man," rather, people are fundamentally flawed. We need very little assistance in acting selfishly. But history, science, and life is painfully clear: if you want to get people to hurt others without a selfishly motivated decision to do so, you have to work very hard. [1]https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/180092-the-bad-show/ https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/180092-the-bad-show/ (~14:00) [2]https://www.npr.org/2013/08/28/209559002/taking-a-closer-look-at-milgrams-shocking-obedience-study https://www.npr.org/2013/08/28/209559002/taking-a-closer-loo... [3]https://www.amazon.com/Rape-Mind-Psychology-Menticide-Brainwashing/dp/1614277877 https://www.amazon.com/Rape-Mind-Psychology-Menticide-Brainw...

Do you have a source for that? Wikipedia makes it seem like most of the people followed through with the experiment.

by firic 8y ago

Do you have a source for that? Wikipedia makes it seem like most of the people followed through with the experiment.

op may be referring to this: >“The notion that we somehow automatically obey authority, that we are somehow programmed, doesn’t account for the variability [in rates of obedience] across conditions,” he said; in some iterations of Milgram’s study, the rate of compliance was close to 100 percent, while in others it was closer to zero. “We need an account that can explain the variability—when we obey, when we don’t.” https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/rethinking-one-of-psychologys-most-infamous-experiments/384913/ https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/rethinkin... the experiment has recently come under more critical attention (along with much of social psychology)

classicsnoot 8y ago

Originally, i heard about it here[1]. You can read about the variability here[2]. But i would recommend searching for the raw data of the experiment, which i personally have not done. I would also recommend you read [3]. It is equally fascinating and horrifying. What is more, it is eerily prescient about where society has developed since Merloo wrote his book. To summarize (criminally), people do bad shit when they are forcefully conditioned to do so, and even then they fight back against this conditioning. You can hear it for yourself in the original recordings of the Milgram experiments; the actors tasked with being the "scientists" had to prod the subjects into doing the dirty. Make no mistake, i am a conservative that is deeply committed to the concept of the "fallen nature of man," rather, people are fundamentally flawed. We need very little assistance in acting selfishly. But history, science, and life is painfully clear: if you want to get people to hurt others without a selfishly motivated decision to do so, you have to work very hard. [1]https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/180092-the-bad-show/ https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/180092-the-bad-show/ (~14:00) [2]https://www.npr.org/2013/08/28/209559002/taking-a-closer-look-at-milgrams-shocking-obedience-study https://www.npr.org/2013/08/28/209559002/taking-a-closer-loo... [3]https://www.amazon.com/Rape-Mind-Psychology-Menticide-Brainwashing/dp/1614277877 https://www.amazon.com/Rape-Mind-Psychology-Menticide-Brainw...