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They also drop the subscription rate after the first and second years. And even at the outset, the “everything JetBrains” license is cheaper than any two indiv

They also drop the subscription rate after the first and second years. And even at the outset, the “everything JetBrains” license is cheaper than any two individually licensed products. If you do, say, Java and C# or Python and C++, this makes it a pretty sweet deal. I wasn’t aware that the perpetual fallback license only covered the latest version at the time of subscription/renewal. That’s less than ideal, but apart from that, I think they’ve pretty well nailed the subscription-based model. It’s actually the _only_ software I’ve used where I feel the subscription model terms were actually an improvement over what I had before.

scaryclam 8y ago
There are other software providers that charge annual subscription fees that will just stop support and upgrades when you decide to stop the subscription. They don't retard your licensed version down to a previous version. Some of them also allow you to buy a license for the current major version, with minor version updates for free, instead of going all in for a subscription. Heck, I spent 3 years getting free updates from one publisher. Having the choice of being able to buy outright or go on a subscription is, IMO, far better than subscription only models. I'm also pretty surprised that jetbrains took the decision to not only take away paid for updates, but not provide a rebate for people who don't want to continue with the subscription part way through. That just rubs me up the wrong way.
mkirklions 8y ago
JetBrains made me super salty at how expensive their package is. I graduated from college and to see their lowest cost package was ~300 USD IIRC was infuriating. I went full Netbeans for PHP. It does the job, the debugger works, and it doesnt cost me a yearly fee.
- sli 8y ago
  It's gone up since then to $500/yr. It takes you two years before you get the $300/yr price again. By then you've already spent nearly $900, with the third year making it $1200. Android Studio is free.
  - BonesJustice 8y ago
    I think you're looking at the pricing for Businesses and Organizations (the prices displayed by default). Those are floating licenses. Most individual developers would buy an individual license. Individual licenses for the All Products Pack start at $249 for the first year, $199 for the second year, and then $149 for the third year onward. Individual licenses can be used for commercial purposes just like a business license. AFAICT, the only difference is that a business license can be used by any single developer within an organization at a time, while the individual license can only be used by the named licensee. There's also a 25% discount for new/recent graduates, which eases the sticker shock a little bit for new graduates.

scaryclam 8y ago

There are other software providers that charge annual subscription fees that will just stop support and upgrades when you decide to stop the subscription. They don't retard your licensed version down to a previous version. Some of them also allow you to buy a license for the current major version, with minor version updates for free, instead of going all in for a subscription. Heck, I spent 3 years getting free updates from one publisher. Having the choice of being able to buy outright or go on a subscription is, IMO, far better than subscription only models. I'm also pretty surprised that jetbrains took the decision to not only take away paid for updates, but not provide a rebate for people who don't want to continue with the subscription part way through. That just rubs me up the wrong way.

mkirklions 8y ago

JetBrains made me super salty at how expensive their package is. I graduated from college and to see their lowest cost package was ~300 USD IIRC was infuriating. I went full Netbeans for PHP. It does the job, the debugger works, and it doesnt cost me a yearly fee.

sli 8y ago
It's gone up since then to $500/yr. It takes you two years before you get the $300/yr price again. By then you've already spent nearly $900, with the third year making it $1200. Android Studio is free.
- BonesJustice 8y ago
  I think you're looking at the pricing for Businesses and Organizations (the prices displayed by default). Those are floating licenses. Most individual developers would buy an individual license. Individual licenses for the All Products Pack start at $249 for the first year, $199 for the second year, and then $149 for the third year onward. Individual licenses can be used for commercial purposes just like a business license. AFAICT, the only difference is that a business license can be used by any single developer within an organization at a time, while the individual license can only be used by the named licensee. There's also a 25% discount for new/recent graduates, which eases the sticker shock a little bit for new graduates.