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As China continues to grow economically and far greater supply of young people it is obvious that China is going to advance rapidly in many fields and surpass U

As China continues to grow economically and far greater supply of young people it is obvious that China is going to advance rapidly in many fields and surpass USA. USA need not be number 1 in everything because it can't. USA however can allow Chinese students to come to USA in much greater numbers and tap their talent. US public education system does not need a revamp. It needs razing down to ground and a complete recreation.

flyinglizard 8y ago
Destructive and inane immigration policies cause US to be a greenhouse for foreign talent, only to then drive them back to their home countries as they are about pay back dividends in the professional market; US loses talent - and at the same time, other countries gain it (it's like a single game outcome decides if you're up 2:0 up or tied 1:1). What would the disgruntled Chinese-born, US-educated engineers and scientist do back home in China if not compete with US?
- eddieplan9 8y ago
  I know the rhetoric is appealing, but as a Chinese national myself, I have not seen a single STEM person who has left the US for China because of immigration reasons. On the contrary there are plenty of them that have gone to China after securing a US green card. If competing with China for talent is the goal, easeness of doing business and more early stage VC funding - a la “back to 2015” - can help, but it’s not clear those are the right things to do.
  - dominostars 8y ago
    If we're working with anecdotes I know at least two at the company I most recently worked, when it was still only 300 people.
  - kristianov 8y ago
    Getting a green card and going back to work in China...As a employee, it'll really hurt you financially as you will pay taxes in both countries, and neither of them has low tax rates.
    - khuey 8y ago
      You're also going to lose your green card pretty quickly that way.
    - netheril96 8y ago
      The benefit is that you can regret and reverse either decision in a few years.
    - jjoonathan 8y ago
      max(china_tax,us_tax), not china_tax+us_tax, and not even that if you're under $100k or somesuch.
  - morgante 8y ago
    > as a Chinese national myself, I have not seen a single STEM person who has left the US for China because of immigration reasons. Are you kidding? That happens literally all the time. I personally know tons of Chinese friends who wanted to stay in the US but couldn't due to visa issues.
- Taniwha 8y ago
  Actually as far as chip designers are concerned you probably should worry more about India ... Really though - the US is making money (in the education sector) from the people it brings in and educates, you have to balance that with the US citizens who don't get those same educational opportunities because the space is not available at the good schools
- Karishma1234 8y ago
  If you are arguing that the immigration policies force these bright minds out of the country you are correct. Offering a green-card along with MS or Phd will help USA lot more. But even if they all leave it is not a zero sum game because even if these people build industries in China that compete with USA they are pushing the boundaries of science that helps everyone. Will USA benefit if some Chinese kid invents say a diabetes cure ? Of course it will. Of course American can complain that it was not invented in USA but that is how the future is going to be and that is likely to be the new world order.

flyinglizard 8y ago

Destructive and inane immigration policies cause US to be a greenhouse for foreign talent, only to then drive them back to their home countries as they are about pay back dividends in the professional market; US loses talent - and at the same time, other countries gain it (it's like a single game outcome decides if you're up 2:0 up or tied 1:1). What would the disgruntled Chinese-born, US-educated engineers and scientist do back home in China if not compete with US?

eddieplan9 8y ago
I know the rhetoric is appealing, but as a Chinese national myself, I have not seen a single STEM person who has left the US for China because of immigration reasons. On the contrary there are plenty of them that have gone to China after securing a US green card. If competing with China for talent is the goal, easeness of doing business and more early stage VC funding - a la “back to 2015” - can help, but it’s not clear those are the right things to do.
- dominostars 8y ago
  If we're working with anecdotes I know at least two at the company I most recently worked, when it was still only 300 people.
- kristianov 8y ago
  Getting a green card and going back to work in China...As a employee, it'll really hurt you financially as you will pay taxes in both countries, and neither of them has low tax rates.
  - khuey 8y ago
    You're also going to lose your green card pretty quickly that way.
  - netheril96 8y ago
    The benefit is that you can regret and reverse either decision in a few years.
  - jjoonathan 8y ago
    max(china_tax,us_tax), not china_tax+us_tax, and not even that if you're under $100k or somesuch.
- morgante 8y ago
  > as a Chinese national myself, I have not seen a single STEM person who has left the US for China because of immigration reasons. Are you kidding? That happens literally all the time. I personally know tons of Chinese friends who wanted to stay in the US but couldn't due to visa issues.
Taniwha 8y ago
Actually as far as chip designers are concerned you probably should worry more about India ... Really though - the US is making money (in the education sector) from the people it brings in and educates, you have to balance that with the US citizens who don't get those same educational opportunities because the space is not available at the good schools
Karishma1234 8y ago
If you are arguing that the immigration policies force these bright minds out of the country you are correct. Offering a green-card along with MS or Phd will help USA lot more. But even if they all leave it is not a zero sum game because even if these people build industries in China that compete with USA they are pushing the boundaries of science that helps everyone. Will USA benefit if some Chinese kid invents say a diabetes cure ? Of course it will. Of course American can complain that it was not invented in USA but that is how the future is going to be and that is likely to be the new world order.