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Some people think we're getting too many transplants and that regulating the development of new housing will somewhat curb that. There are some areas I've s

by atomi 8y ago

Some people think we're getting too many transplants and that regulating the development of new housing will somewhat curb that. There are some areas I've seen here that have grown in population so much that just getting across town takes an hour or more. I'm personally all for more growth. I'd love to have more representatives and I think people are going to be very surprised at the results of the 2020 census. But we do need to do something about housing and traffic.

rxhernandez 8y ago
> Some people think we're getting too many transplants and that regulating the development of new housing will somewhat curb that. Those people are either idiots or don't care about anyone but themselves. Not everyone born and raised in California has parents who are well off enough to pass down a house to them (in fact I doubt most have parents that can). What happens when our teachers and every low paid worker get fed up with the quality of life (which includes lining their landlords' coffers instead of building equity) and decide to move elsewhere? Are the home owners suddenly going to pick up the slack and do the jobs of the 99%? "Snap decisions that sound good to my tribe but ultimately lead to long term problems for everyone" should be the motto of a certain group of people here. It's also disconcerting that some tech people fall into that group of people because you would think tech people of all people would have basic enough skills to look beyond the first consequence of a solution.
- pishpash 8y ago
  Tech people are also hyper "rational" which some read as "cold".
downandout 8y ago
>Some people think we're getting too many transplants Those people would be wrong. California lost a net of approximately 1 million residents between 2007 and 2016 [1]. Chalk it up to over-regulation (like the issue we are discussing here), high state income taxes, overcrowded/underfunded public schools, expensive housing, etc., but anyone complaining about too many transplants arriving in CA simply doesn't know the statistics. [1] http://lao.ca.gov/LAOEconTax/Article/Detail/265 http://lao.ca.gov/LAOEconTax/Article/Detail/265
- throwahey 8y ago
  I'm sure that California lost even more than 1 million to diaspora, but the loss was offset by new arrivals. I'm also sure the number of illegal aliens has increased significantly but there doesn't seem to be anyone keeping track of them.
  - downandout 8y ago
    The net loss, including all offsets, has been 1 million.
    - ojbyrne 8y ago
      I don’t think that’s correct. California’s population has grown significantly over the period you’re discussing. http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/california-population/ http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/california-populatio...
      - downandout 8y ago
        The study I quoted was done by the State of California. It's most likely a reliable source.
        Izkata 8y ago
        If nothing else, that one doesn't take into account births/deaths and immigration/emigration outside the US.
        ojbyrne 8y ago
        The study specifically says “domestic” migration.
        downandout 8y ago
        This entire thread is about migration. I was refuting someone's statement about too many many transplants arriving, when in fact net transplants are negative. Births have nothing to do with that. Most international migration to California is illegal.
bproven 8y ago
Yep, "If you don't build it they won't come " doesnt work - especially in a desirable place like CA. I really hope these people don't really believe this motto. The current status is just wealth protection for those that got in years ago. Regarding traffic - it is really sad that the epicenter of tech (and frankly our entire US economy) is so backwards on public transit and infrastructure. Its such an easy fix if we rolled our sleeves up and did it now and not over the next 40 years...
- eip 8y ago
  >Regarding traffic - it is really sad that in the epicenter of tech That people still sit in traffic for hours so that they can sit in front of their laptops all day in a germ-farm office and poop next to their coworkers. It's dance monkey mentality. It's living in the past.
  - mygo 8y ago
    Hey, aren’t you the guy who said you can make a lotion that will treat skin cancer? how can I message you?
    - eip 8y ago
      I am. Reply with contact info and I will contact you.
ebikelaw 8y ago
Those peopler are, of course, totally incorrect. Our population boom is partly from migration but mostly from longevity.
- jessaustin 8y ago
  Ouch, I don't think we want to hear their proposed solutions to that issue.
damnyou 8y ago
Such people are called nativists.

by atomi 8y ago

rxhernandez 8y ago

> Some people think we're getting too many transplants and that regulating the development of new housing will somewhat curb that. Those people are either idiots or don't care about anyone but themselves. Not everyone born and raised in California has parents who are well off enough to pass down a house to them (in fact I doubt most have parents that can). What happens when our teachers and every low paid worker get fed up with the quality of life (which includes lining their landlords' coffers instead of building equity) and decide to move elsewhere? Are the home owners suddenly going to pick up the slack and do the jobs of the 99%? "Snap decisions that sound good to my tribe but ultimately lead to long term problems for everyone" should be the motto of a certain group of people here. It's also disconcerting that some tech people fall into that group of people because you would think tech people of all people would have basic enough skills to look beyond the first consequence of a solution.

pishpash 8y ago
Tech people are also hyper "rational" which some read as "cold".

downandout 8y ago

>Some people think we're getting too many transplants Those people would be wrong. California lost a net of approximately 1 million residents between 2007 and 2016 [1]. Chalk it up to over-regulation (like the issue we are discussing here), high state income taxes, overcrowded/underfunded public schools, expensive housing, etc., but anyone complaining about too many transplants arriving in CA simply doesn't know the statistics. [1] http://lao.ca.gov/LAOEconTax/Article/Detail/265 http://lao.ca.gov/LAOEconTax/Article/Detail/265

throwahey 8y ago
I'm sure that California lost even more than 1 million to diaspora, but the loss was offset by new arrivals. I'm also sure the number of illegal aliens has increased significantly but there doesn't seem to be anyone keeping track of them.
- downandout 8y ago
  The net loss, including all offsets, has been 1 million.
  - ojbyrne 8y ago
    I don’t think that’s correct. California’s population has grown significantly over the period you’re discussing. http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/california-population/ http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/california-populatio...
    - downandout 8y ago
      The study I quoted was done by the State of California. It's most likely a reliable source.
      - Izkata 8y ago
        If nothing else, that one doesn't take into account births/deaths and immigration/emigration outside the US.
      - ojbyrne 8y ago
        The study specifically says “domestic” migration.
        downandout 8y ago
        This entire thread is about migration. I was refuting someone's statement about too many many transplants arriving, when in fact net transplants are negative. Births have nothing to do with that. Most international migration to California is illegal.

bproven 8y ago

Yep, "If you don't build it they won't come " doesnt work - especially in a desirable place like CA. I really hope these people don't really believe this motto. The current status is just wealth protection for those that got in years ago. Regarding traffic - it is really sad that the epicenter of tech (and frankly our entire US economy) is so backwards on public transit and infrastructure. Its such an easy fix if we rolled our sleeves up and did it now and not over the next 40 years...

eip 8y ago
>Regarding traffic - it is really sad that in the epicenter of tech That people still sit in traffic for hours so that they can sit in front of their laptops all day in a germ-farm office and poop next to their coworkers. It's dance monkey mentality. It's living in the past.
- mygo 8y ago
  Hey, aren’t you the guy who said you can make a lotion that will treat skin cancer? how can I message you?
  - eip 8y ago
    I am. Reply with contact info and I will contact you.

ebikelaw 8y ago

Those peopler are, of course, totally incorrect. Our population boom is partly from migration but mostly from longevity.

jessaustin 8y ago
Ouch, I don't think we want to hear their proposed solutions to that issue.

damnyou 8y ago

Such people are called nativists.