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> the American worker is still getting shafted by the industrialists who loved cheap outsourced labor. No! No, no, no! Thousands times no! American workers are

by pif 9y ago

> the American worker is still getting shafted by the industrialists who loved cheap outsourced labor. No! No, no, no! Thousands times no! American workers are being shafted by consumers who love cheap products. Smartphones will be built again in USA when USA workers will accept to be payed as much as their Chinese colleagues. Either that, or be forced to pay more for everything so that USA brothers will be able to produce other stuff as well. I really don't understand how people could vote for a clown promising to 《make USA great again》: USA are still great, there's not a better past to long for, and that is also due to cheap stuff being provided from abroad. Globalisation is not something you can choose: it is the reality, and it will remain at least until we will have cheap oil to ship things around the globe. You can choose to embrace globalisation or to stomp your feet, but the world will move on anyway. Do you want manufacturing jobs back in the West? Fight for better work conditions in the East!

dougabug 9y ago
It's not just US consumers who demonstrate a strong preference for low prices, it's generally a global phenomenon. While most consumers would likely prefer that revenues from the products they purchase be distributed equitably, they generally appear unwilling to pay a consistent, significant premium for social conscience. Corporate PR and advertisement seems to satisfy any demands consumers have for companies to serve the public good.
HillaryBriss 9y ago
> Smartphones will be built again in USA when USA workers will accept to be payed as much as their Chinese colleagues. smartphone manufacture requires a significant, specific, miniaturized, electronic-industrial ecosystem AND a large number of trained industrial, electronic and other engineers, not just cheap labor. (Africa has cheap labor but where are its smartphone manufacturers?) China has a city like Shenzen with thousands of electronics makers. China has lots and lots of engineers of various kinds. China has pro-industrial development governmental policies, labor rules and environmental rules. We cannot simply look to labor pay rates. It's a much larger system.

by pif 9y ago

dougabug 9y ago

It's not just US consumers who demonstrate a strong preference for low prices, it's generally a global phenomenon. While most consumers would likely prefer that revenues from the products they purchase be distributed equitably, they generally appear unwilling to pay a consistent, significant premium for social conscience. Corporate PR and advertisement seems to satisfy any demands consumers have for companies to serve the public good.

HillaryBriss 9y ago

> Smartphones will be built again in USA when USA workers will accept to be payed as much as their Chinese colleagues. smartphone manufacture requires a significant, specific, miniaturized, electronic-industrial ecosystem AND a large number of trained industrial, electronic and other engineers, not just cheap labor. (Africa has cheap labor but where are its smartphone manufacturers?) China has a city like Shenzen with thousands of electronics makers. China has lots and lots of engineers of various kinds. China has pro-industrial development governmental policies, labor rules and environmental rules. We cannot simply look to labor pay rates. It's a much larger system.