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The Global Skills Strategy is only for a certain category of employers, mainly large ones. A startup cannot use that to hire a worker. [1] > more points for an

by t1o5 8y ago

The Global Skills Strategy is only for a certain category of employers, mainly large ones. A startup cannot use that to hire a worker. [1] > more points for an applicant with a bachelor's degree in computer science from anywhere in the world Quebec's immigration system is not point based as of now. Its FCFS. Though they say its points based, there is no indication from statistics that MIDI selects workers based on points. In fact, MIDI is a blackbox when it comes to revealing the strategy that they use to select workers while Federal Express Entry is fully transparent. Bachelor's degree holders in Comp. Sc are waiting for more than 5 years for a CSQ from Quebec, while they can immigrate to other provinces within months ! There are reports of systematic discrimination by MIDI regarding the selection of applicants based on their citizenship. As a US citizen, its no wonder you are given priority than applicants from third world countries. There are two class action suites against MIDI currently regarding systematic discrimination in selecting applicants. [2] [5] [7] Ombudsman's Annual Report About MIDI says there are 31,378 applications pending as of March 31, 2017. [3] > Quebec will still give them a leg up based on that experience if they later apply for permanent residence That has been on hold with no explanation from MIDI since 2017. [4] MIDI systematically discriminates applicants even in French priority category (PEQ) if they are from China or India [5] A forum where applicants discuss about delays from MIDI [6] [1] https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/work-canada/hire-foreign-worker/temporary/global-skills-strategy.html#toc0 https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/se... [2] https://imk.ca/en/rahim-and-rhia-basnet-v-midi/ https://imk.ca/en/rahim-and-rhia-basnet-v-midi/ [3] http://publications.virtualpaper.com/protecteur-du-citoyen/en/2017-annual-report/#46/ http://publications.virtualpaper.com/protecteur-du-citoyen/e... [4] http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2018/02/27/des-travailleurs-etrangers-qualifies-oublies-par-quebec http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2018/02/27/des-travailleurs... [5] http://chalkimmigration.com/2018/04/29/update-peq-group-judicial-review-cases/ http://chalkimmigration.com/2018/04/29/update-peq-group-judi... [6] https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/forums/quebec-immigration.55/ https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-boa... [7] http://oreopoulos.faculty.economics.utoronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/How-An-Ethnic-sounding-Name-May-Affect-The-Job-Hunt.pdf http://oreopoulos.faculty.economics.utoronto.ca/wp-content/u...

jkaplowitz 8y ago
I'm going to have to defer a substantive reply due to weekend plans, but if I have time Sunday night or Monday and this topic is still receiving enough attention that it would be broadly useful, I'll do so then. (No point in a delayed reply if it's just two strangers arguing at each other in isolation from the community discussion.) But again, many of these statements rely on inaccurate assumptions, overlook important nuances or past/present/near-future changes on each system, are not supported by the linked cites, or are otherwise inaccurate or leave the wrong impression. I have no reason to doubt that you're discussing in good faith with good motives. But if you're learning conclusions like those in these comments from media pundits or social network posts, you may want to prefer primary sources, pay close attention to details when examining or discussing any source, and give targeted cites corresponding precisely to each point you want to support. Have a good weekend, and see you here Sunday night or Monday if this post's conversation activity is still going.
- t1o5 8y ago
  I have no further interest in taking this conversation forward. I immigrated to Canada on Express Entry in which I got points based on my skills and that too within 3 months. I feel for my colleagues in Quebec whose applications are on hold in Quebec with no explanation from MIDI for the past one year. If you start asking cites for all these from official source which is MIDI, I can't give you because MIDI don't have it either. If MIDI publishes those numbers, it will reveal their discriminatory practices. Don't bother about replying. Have a great weekend.
  - Apocryphon 8y ago
    I would appreciate the previous poster replying, as I believe his points will prove enlightening to this thread.
    - t1o5 8y ago
      In that case here are official links. Please note that Canadian permanent residency thru Quebec is a long two stage process. First obtain a CSQ document from Quebec and then apply to Federal (in paper format) which will grant you permanent residency. * Processing delays as per MIDI's site for obtaining a CSQ: Official Source: https://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/immigrate-settle/permanent-workers/official-immigration-application/processing-times-table.php https://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/immigrate-settl... * MIDI currently follows FCFS to issue CSQ, not point based merit system, which they are planning to implement soon. " With the introduction of the new immigration system based on the declaration of interest, only candidates that meet the needs of Québec will be invited to submit an application for a selection certificate. This new system will make it possible to put an end to the principle of first come first serve, currently in effect for processing applications, and to considerably reduced average processing times. " Official Source: https://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/informations/news/news-2018/processing-applications.html https://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/informations/ne... * Federal processing time delays(after obtaining a CSQ) for residency from Quebec: 15 months & counting. Official Source: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/index.asp http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/index.asp ( Select Economic Class > Skilled workers Quebec ,the processing times shows as 15 months.) * For the year 2017, the processing time for applications for a selection certificate under the Regular Skilled Worker Program was 32 months. Official Source: https://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/informations/news/news-2018/processing-applications.html https://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/informations/ne... * To summarize, an immigration application thru Regular Skilled worker stream will take 15 + 32 months to complete if it goes without any glitches, but MIDI is plagued with operational issues such as loss of applicant documents, huge technical problems with Mon Projet and the recent refugee situation. Official Source: https://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/informations/news/news-2018/applications-received-2018.html https://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/informations/ne... Now if anyone applies in PEQ category, you will still be delayed by 15 months in Federal stage. So which graduate or skilled worker worth their salt will try to immigrate or stay in Quebec after graduation ? They can easily get their permanent residency within months if they move to any other province other than Quebec through the Express Entry system and other provincial nomination programs. Why do I say all this ? Because Quebec's immigration system is so obsolete that it doesn't give importance for merit. I was a victim of the broken H1B visa system and I immigrated to Canada thru Express Entry which gave importance to my skills. How I did it might be interesting too -> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15452647 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15452647

by t1o5 8y ago

jkaplowitz 8y ago

I'm going to have to defer a substantive reply due to weekend plans, but if I have time Sunday night or Monday and this topic is still receiving enough attention that it would be broadly useful, I'll do so then. (No point in a delayed reply if it's just two strangers arguing at each other in isolation from the community discussion.) But again, many of these statements rely on inaccurate assumptions, overlook important nuances or past/present/near-future changes on each system, are not supported by the linked cites, or are otherwise inaccurate or leave the wrong impression. I have no reason to doubt that you're discussing in good faith with good motives. But if you're learning conclusions like those in these comments from media pundits or social network posts, you may want to prefer primary sources, pay close attention to details when examining or discussing any source, and give targeted cites corresponding precisely to each point you want to support. Have a good weekend, and see you here Sunday night or Monday if this post's conversation activity is still going.

t1o5 8y ago
I have no further interest in taking this conversation forward. I immigrated to Canada on Express Entry in which I got points based on my skills and that too within 3 months. I feel for my colleagues in Quebec whose applications are on hold in Quebec with no explanation from MIDI for the past one year. If you start asking cites for all these from official source which is MIDI, I can't give you because MIDI don't have it either. If MIDI publishes those numbers, it will reveal their discriminatory practices. Don't bother about replying. Have a great weekend.
- Apocryphon 8y ago
  I would appreciate the previous poster replying, as I believe his points will prove enlightening to this thread.
  - t1o5 8y ago
    In that case here are official links. Please note that Canadian permanent residency thru Quebec is a long two stage process. First obtain a CSQ document from Quebec and then apply to Federal (in paper format) which will grant you permanent residency. * Processing delays as per MIDI's site for obtaining a CSQ: Official Source: https://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/immigrate-settle/permanent-workers/official-immigration-application/processing-times-table.php https://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/immigrate-settl... * MIDI currently follows FCFS to issue CSQ, not point based merit system, which they are planning to implement soon. " With the introduction of the new immigration system based on the declaration of interest, only candidates that meet the needs of Québec will be invited to submit an application for a selection certificate. This new system will make it possible to put an end to the principle of first come first serve, currently in effect for processing applications, and to considerably reduced average processing times. " Official Source: https://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/informations/news/news-2018/processing-applications.html https://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/informations/ne... * Federal processing time delays(after obtaining a CSQ) for residency from Quebec: 15 months & counting. Official Source: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/index.asp http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/index.asp ( Select Economic Class > Skilled workers Quebec ,the processing times shows as 15 months.) * For the year 2017, the processing time for applications for a selection certificate under the Regular Skilled Worker Program was 32 months. Official Source: https://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/informations/news/news-2018/processing-applications.html https://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/informations/ne... * To summarize, an immigration application thru Regular Skilled worker stream will take 15 + 32 months to complete if it goes without any glitches, but MIDI is plagued with operational issues such as loss of applicant documents, huge technical problems with Mon Projet and the recent refugee situation. Official Source: https://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/informations/news/news-2018/applications-received-2018.html https://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/informations/ne... Now if anyone applies in PEQ category, you will still be delayed by 15 months in Federal stage. So which graduate or skilled worker worth their salt will try to immigrate or stay in Quebec after graduation ? They can easily get their permanent residency within months if they move to any other province other than Quebec through the Express Entry system and other provincial nomination programs. Why do I say all this ? Because Quebec's immigration system is so obsolete that it doesn't give importance for merit. I was a victim of the broken H1B visa system and I immigrated to Canada thru Express Entry which gave importance to my skills. How I did it might be interesting too -> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15452647 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15452647