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Large ISPs wanting to get into CDN revenues and DNS, just a little hiccup to start testing the waters... ISPs are mad most people use Google or Cloudflare DNS n

Large ISPs wanting to get into CDN revenues and DNS, just a little hiccup to start testing the waters... ISPs are mad most people use Google or Cloudflare DNS now instead of their own which facilitate their ad networks and future CDN properties. Large ISPs want that DNS endpoint and are aiming for CDNs as well, they are gonna eventually sell it as other CDNs/DNS can't be workable due to issues like this. Large ISPs stopped innovating for decades and are mad others kept innovating on top of the network. ISPs think they own the network and are taking back this property not by innovation, but by bribes to 'representatives' and by force. Now that net neutrality is demolished and ISPs can sell your private data, they have a reason to ruin DNS and CDNs to eventually own that for tracking and revenue streams. We made IMMENSE mistakes in 2017 with allowing ISPs to bribe their way into removing privacy protections and removing net neutrality. We gave them reasons to dismantle systems built ON TOP of the network so they can own those areas by controlling the network. 2017 was regressive for the internet markets built on our internet utilities. Rather than ISPs building their own companies to compete on top of the network, they want to use their network lever to barge their way in with bribes like the Kool-aid man through walls that shouldn't be breached. ISPs are in all out war mode fighting being a utility or commodity, rather than building competitive products or innovating on top of the network, making the network better/faster/fast they want to win by force and milking it, not by building products and improvements people want. ISPs are also gunning to help build our government firewall/filter that is for censorship and IP protection [1]. AT&T in particular has been a privileged insider to the surveillance state and filtering[2]. It is also an extension of FOSTA/SESTA censorship. Turns out, building the government filter for surveillance also gets you a super efficient ad network by peering into all private data. No way blocking Cloudflare was a mistake, it was ISPs kicking the tires of their 'innovations'. In 2017, we allowed emboldened network provider monopolies to get more emboldened and now that they won, they want to run all ad networks and will do so in unison with the surveillance state and filtering/censorship. [1] https://www.wired.com/2017/04/internet-censorship-is-advancing-under-trump/ https://www.wired.com/2017/04/internet-censorship-is-advanci... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

PMan74 8y ago
> most people use Google or Cloudflare DNS now Do they? I'd say most people would be troubled to find their DNS settings let alone have the confidence to change them. I'm open to correction on that, is there any data on Google /CF DNS usage?
- drawkbox 8y ago
  Most people that know anything about the internet have switched away from their ISPs DNS largely due to tracking and slowness/peering. These tools will spread and eventually everyone will, a big fear for the ISPs who want to be ad networks and profiling systems. > is there any data on Google /CF DNS usage? Only ISPs would know that information, Google and Cloudflare know how many people use it but not how many are connected that choose it. ISPs know who uses what DNS, who uses VPNs and common clients and other competitive advantages that should be protected. Pretty soon they will have some 'identity protection' app that provides VPN and DNS which is used in their ad network/tracking systems. Even better if large DNS providers are flaky due to their own interference. This was definitely AT&T kicking the tires to see what would happen, either that or they are incompetent and need competition. They should be broken up either way. ISPs now that they are able to sell your private data and build ad networks by removing privacy protections, actively do not want others using alternative/competitive DNS. Along with building the government filter and surveillance state, ISPs are not in the business of providing network quality and speeds, they are milking it with data caps and bundles noone wants, they want to be the biggest/baddest ad network/profiling system ever invented, that they of course control 100% over competitors. From the OP article: > The blocking is affecting AT&T home Internet customers who use an AT&T gateway. Cloudflare unveiled its DNS service on April 1, and users in DSLReports forum threads almost immediately started complaining that they couldn't access it. One thread began on April 1, within hours of Cloudflare's announcement. > Cloudflare pitches 1.1.1.1 as a privacy tool that can help deter ISPs from monitoring one's Internet usage. AT&T lobbied against broadband privacy rules last year, and the company used to charge fiber Internet customers extra for privacy. AT&T fiber customers who did not opt in to a traffic scanning system that analyzed Internet usage in order to deliver personalized ads had to pay at least $29 more per month than customers who consented to the scanning. > AT&T ended the controversial traffic scanning program in September 2016, but it says that it still wants the "flexibility" to expand advertising-focused business models to compete against Facebook, Amazon, and Google. By allowing ISPs to remove net neutrality and privacy protections, we've emboldened network provider monopolies to be even bigger and ultimately it will harm internet freedom and competitive business on top of the network. Events like this will happen more and more as they are empowered more and more as they pull away from being privacy protected utilities, which they are but don't want to be.

PMan74 8y ago

> most people use Google or Cloudflare DNS now Do they? I'd say most people would be troubled to find their DNS settings let alone have the confidence to change them. I'm open to correction on that, is there any data on Google /CF DNS usage?

drawkbox 8y ago
Most people that know anything about the internet have switched away from their ISPs DNS largely due to tracking and slowness/peering. These tools will spread and eventually everyone will, a big fear for the ISPs who want to be ad networks and profiling systems. > is there any data on Google /CF DNS usage? Only ISPs would know that information, Google and Cloudflare know how many people use it but not how many are connected that choose it. ISPs know who uses what DNS, who uses VPNs and common clients and other competitive advantages that should be protected. Pretty soon they will have some 'identity protection' app that provides VPN and DNS which is used in their ad network/tracking systems. Even better if large DNS providers are flaky due to their own interference. This was definitely AT&T kicking the tires to see what would happen, either that or they are incompetent and need competition. They should be broken up either way. ISPs now that they are able to sell your private data and build ad networks by removing privacy protections, actively do not want others using alternative/competitive DNS. Along with building the government filter and surveillance state, ISPs are not in the business of providing network quality and speeds, they are milking it with data caps and bundles noone wants, they want to be the biggest/baddest ad network/profiling system ever invented, that they of course control 100% over competitors. From the OP article: > The blocking is affecting AT&T home Internet customers who use an AT&T gateway. Cloudflare unveiled its DNS service on April 1, and users in DSLReports forum threads almost immediately started complaining that they couldn't access it. One thread began on April 1, within hours of Cloudflare's announcement. > Cloudflare pitches 1.1.1.1 as a privacy tool that can help deter ISPs from monitoring one's Internet usage. AT&T lobbied against broadband privacy rules last year, and the company used to charge fiber Internet customers extra for privacy. AT&T fiber customers who did not opt in to a traffic scanning system that analyzed Internet usage in order to deliver personalized ads had to pay at least $29 more per month than customers who consented to the scanning. > AT&T ended the controversial traffic scanning program in September 2016, but it says that it still wants the "flexibility" to expand advertising-focused business models to compete against Facebook, Amazon, and Google. By allowing ISPs to remove net neutrality and privacy protections, we've emboldened network provider monopolies to be even bigger and ultimately it will harm internet freedom and competitive business on top of the network. Events like this will happen more and more as they are empowered more and more as they pull away from being privacy protected utilities, which they are but don't want to be.