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They desperately need to. It is absurd for VS to be thrashing disk so much when it starts touching 2 GB of RAM usage, when I have 32 GB sitting mostly unused on

They desperately need to. It is absurd for VS to be thrashing disk so much when it starts touching 2 GB of RAM usage, when I have 32 GB sitting mostly unused on my workstation. As JetBrains Rider 64-bit becomes more mature, it's harder not to switch.

pjmlp 8y ago
3rd party options outside official platform tooling are always a bad option in the long run. They never move beyond being a 2nd class citizen with their own set of issues and development problems.
- scarface74 8y ago
  It's an IDE. Every language for every platform has different IDEs that people prefer.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    It is a 3rd party IDE, less capable and will always be catching up with the official language vendor IDE features.
    - scarface74 8y ago
      If anything, Visual Studio is trying to catch up with Visual Studio + Resharper made by the same people who make Rider. Which first party IDE do users of Python, Java, Go, Node, etc. use?
      - pjmlp 8y ago
        > If anything, Visual Studio is trying to catch up with Visual Studio + Resharper made by the same people who make Rider. I never needed to use Resharper. Resharper might offer better refactoring tooling, but it doesn't offer anything else over what it means a full Visual Studio experience. > Which first party IDE do users of Python, Java, Go, Node, etc. use? I though we were speaking about .NET here, and other languages offered by OS vendors. From your list only Java fits this description. So to answer it, Java main IDE, the one pushed by Sun and used as basis for Solaris development was Netbeans, which incidentally still has features not offered by InteliJ and Eclipse regarding GUI designers, visual editing for Web development and mixed debugging between managed and native code, including directly visualization of native code generated by the JIT. Visual Studio has quite good support for Python and Node as well.
        scarface74 8y ago
        Resharper might offer better refactoring tooling, but it doesn't offer anything else over what it means a full Visual Studio experience R# doesn’t offer anything but better refactoring, better navigation, a better unit testing interface, better code analysis, more shortcuts for taking care of boilerplate code like creating an equality override for classes, better Nugget integration (Find this type in Nuget) - ie everything a developer does on a day to day basis...
        pjmlp 8y ago
        R# also turns an useful PC into an airplane, increases the typing delay, does not offer UML modelling tools, database integration, database modelling tools, Windows Forms, WPF and UWP modelling tools, enterprise code navigation tooling, mixed mode debugging between native and managed code, code generation templates, GPGPU debugging, services and drivers debugging, profiling tools, task and threading debuggers with selective control with graphical visualization,...., what a Windows developer actually needs.
        scarface74 8y ago
        I’m assuming you mean Rider since R# is a part of VS. But Windows Forms? Microsoft basically abandoned that years ago. The writing is on the wall as far as the .Net framework, MS is showing no love for classic .Net. All of their energy is toward .Net Core. I jumped off of that train a year ago and don’t plan to look back. I’m a big fan of Core but classic .Net?
        pjmlp 8y ago
        Yes, Forms. It is legacy, yet loved by many enterprise customers, lots of gigs available. .NET Core will be relevant for our customers when it finally achieves 1:1 parity with .NET Framework features, until then not many will bother to rewrite their applications, they already have Java for non-Windows platforms with better libraries. I had to port an application from .NET Framework to Java, because customer wanted it to run on Linux and .NET Core wasn't up to it, regarding the necessary features.
sebazzz 8y ago
On the short-term moving things out of process will have much more benefits.
- megaman22 8y ago
  That is what they keep saying... It just pisses me off that I have this monster desktop machine with all of this power available, and Visual Studio is choking and thrashing and locking up all the time, using a tiny fraction of what is available, because this 32-bit throttle is in the way. And anybody reading the tea-leaves over the past decade could see that 32-bit Windows was on the way out, and memory capacity, if it hasn't grown at the curve it did the decade before that, is certainly not a precious commodity to the point that you have to fuss about 32 vs 64 bit pointers taking more space.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    The Core 2 Duo was 64 bit and was popular in 2009. Why is 32bit software still a thing?

pjmlp 8y ago

3rd party options outside official platform tooling are always a bad option in the long run. They never move beyond being a 2nd class citizen with their own set of issues and development problems.

scarface74 8y ago
It's an IDE. Every language for every platform has different IDEs that people prefer.
- pjmlp 8y ago
  It is a 3rd party IDE, less capable and will always be catching up with the official language vendor IDE features.
  - scarface74 8y ago
    If anything, Visual Studio is trying to catch up with Visual Studio + Resharper made by the same people who make Rider. Which first party IDE do users of Python, Java, Go, Node, etc. use?
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      > If anything, Visual Studio is trying to catch up with Visual Studio + Resharper made by the same people who make Rider. I never needed to use Resharper. Resharper might offer better refactoring tooling, but it doesn't offer anything else over what it means a full Visual Studio experience. > Which first party IDE do users of Python, Java, Go, Node, etc. use? I though we were speaking about .NET here, and other languages offered by OS vendors. From your list only Java fits this description. So to answer it, Java main IDE, the one pushed by Sun and used as basis for Solaris development was Netbeans, which incidentally still has features not offered by InteliJ and Eclipse regarding GUI designers, visual editing for Web development and mixed debugging between managed and native code, including directly visualization of native code generated by the JIT. Visual Studio has quite good support for Python and Node as well.
      - scarface74 8y ago
        Resharper might offer better refactoring tooling, but it doesn't offer anything else over what it means a full Visual Studio experience R# doesn’t offer anything but better refactoring, better navigation, a better unit testing interface, better code analysis, more shortcuts for taking care of boilerplate code like creating an equality override for classes, better Nugget integration (Find this type in Nuget) - ie everything a developer does on a day to day basis...
        pjmlp 8y ago
        R# also turns an useful PC into an airplane, increases the typing delay, does not offer UML modelling tools, database integration, database modelling tools, Windows Forms, WPF and UWP modelling tools, enterprise code navigation tooling, mixed mode debugging between native and managed code, code generation templates, GPGPU debugging, services and drivers debugging, profiling tools, task and threading debuggers with selective control with graphical visualization,...., what a Windows developer actually needs.
        scarface74 8y ago
        I’m assuming you mean Rider since R# is a part of VS. But Windows Forms? Microsoft basically abandoned that years ago. The writing is on the wall as far as the .Net framework, MS is showing no love for classic .Net. All of their energy is toward .Net Core. I jumped off of that train a year ago and don’t plan to look back. I’m a big fan of Core but classic .Net?
        pjmlp 8y ago
        Yes, Forms. It is legacy, yet loved by many enterprise customers, lots of gigs available. .NET Core will be relevant for our customers when it finally achieves 1:1 parity with .NET Framework features, until then not many will bother to rewrite their applications, they already have Java for non-Windows platforms with better libraries. I had to port an application from .NET Framework to Java, because customer wanted it to run on Linux and .NET Core wasn't up to it, regarding the necessary features.

sebazzz 8y ago

On the short-term moving things out of process will have much more benefits.

megaman22 8y ago
That is what they keep saying... It just pisses me off that I have this monster desktop machine with all of this power available, and Visual Studio is choking and thrashing and locking up all the time, using a tiny fraction of what is available, because this 32-bit throttle is in the way. And anybody reading the tea-leaves over the past decade could see that 32-bit Windows was on the way out, and memory capacity, if it hasn't grown at the curve it did the decade before that, is certainly not a precious commodity to the point that you have to fuss about 32 vs 64 bit pointers taking more space.
- scarface74 8y ago
  The Core 2 Duo was 64 bit and was popular in 2009. Why is 32bit software still a thing?