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> The only people who love war are corrupted individuals. They have no morals. Says a person who has never truly faced a grave moral test in his life. I have

> The only people who love war are corrupted individuals. They have no morals. Says a person who has never truly faced a grave moral test in his life. I have known many veterans of horrific combat from Okinawa through Afghanistan. They all will tell you they loved it in some bizarre, insane fashion. Yet these same people are the most trustworthy, truly moral people I have ever known. They have touched the abyss, and you and I have not. They understand things we never will.

watwut 8y ago
Saying that you love war is like love massive earthquake in habitated area. That is what people react to - they are aware of massive destruction, hunger (both soldiers and civilians), freezing babies, break of laws, abuse, thousands of families without resources, displaced, soldiers being invalides till rest of their lives. Veterans being unable to live in peace again. War means rise of authoritarian regimes and terrorist groups too. War is not just action and adrenalin. It is also rape and toddlers dying of hunger. It is ethnic massacres.
ShabbosGoy 8y ago
There’s a difference between being willing to die for certain ideals (i.e. like the Gauls during Julius Caesar’s campaigns) and loving wanton bloodshed. That’s the point I was trying to make. If you can’t understand the difference between fighting a defensive war and an aggressive war, you need a reality check. Also, I’m not sure why both my replies were flagged - I believe I was acting extremely civil.
- icebraining 8y ago
  But it's neither the willingness to die or the bloodshed itself. Thích Quảng Đức had the willingness and courage to die for a cause, but you'll have a great difficulty recruiting many to do what he did.
whatshisface 8y ago
Look, this "abyss" you're talking about can be "reached" by anybody, and I don't have to say how. It's not actually something that we want ourselves or our fellow man to do. It doesn't make you better, if any of it sticks you're worse. Going on deployment and finding something that improves you is like going to a bar/casino in Las Vegas and finding Mormonism. Sure, it can happen, but it's not what happens.

watwut 8y ago

Saying that you love war is like love massive earthquake in habitated area. That is what people react to - they are aware of massive destruction, hunger (both soldiers and civilians), freezing babies, break of laws, abuse, thousands of families without resources, displaced, soldiers being invalides till rest of their lives. Veterans being unable to live in peace again. War means rise of authoritarian regimes and terrorist groups too. War is not just action and adrenalin. It is also rape and toddlers dying of hunger. It is ethnic massacres.

ShabbosGoy 8y ago

There’s a difference between being willing to die for certain ideals (i.e. like the Gauls during Julius Caesar’s campaigns) and loving wanton bloodshed. That’s the point I was trying to make. If you can’t understand the difference between fighting a defensive war and an aggressive war, you need a reality check. Also, I’m not sure why both my replies were flagged - I believe I was acting extremely civil.

icebraining 8y ago
But it's neither the willingness to die or the bloodshed itself. Thích Quảng Đức had the willingness and courage to die for a cause, but you'll have a great difficulty recruiting many to do what he did.

whatshisface 8y ago

Look, this "abyss" you're talking about can be "reached" by anybody, and I don't have to say how. It's not actually something that we want ourselves or our fellow man to do. It doesn't make you better, if any of it sticks you're worse. Going on deployment and finding something that improves you is like going to a bar/casino in Las Vegas and finding Mormonism. Sure, it can happen, but it's not what happens.