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Here's a decent review. The sad that as time passes, the more normal this will seem to everybody. https://www.propublica.org/article/nsa-data-collection-faq ht
by Clubber 9y ago
Here's a decent review. The sad that as time passes, the more normal this will seem to everybody.
https://www.propublica.org/article/nsa-data-collection-faq https://www.propublica.org/article/nsa-data-collection-faq
- lern_too_spel 9y agoThis is both old (they no longer get all metadata, just the 500 million requested as described in today's article) and contradicts GGP's claim.
- Clubber 9y agoI guess we'll just have to wait for another whistleblower to confirm they are lying about it again. At least it isn't "wittingly."
- lern_too_spel 9y agoExcept they never lied about that according to Snowden's documents. They never recorded all domestic phone calls.
- Clubber 9y agohttps://www.c-span.org/video/?c4521220/james-clapper-wittingly https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4521220/james-clapper-witting...
- lern_too_spel 9y ago1. James Clapper is not in the NSA. 2. The NSA never recorded all domestic phone calls, and there is no evidence that they ever did, so neither Clapper nor the NSA lied about that.
- sterlind 9y agoI've been citing a lot of sources here. Can you clearly cite your assertion? Over the past few weeks and several threads, you've consistently asserted that NSA/CIA don't bulk-collect Americans' data, with no citing proof. Did you fill out an SF-86 or something?
- lern_too_spel 9y agoNone of your sources support your claims. I've been pointing to the exact same sources. I do not work for the US government any more than you work for the Kremlin. Obama called for a "thoughtful fact based debate" over government data collection policies in the wake of the Snowden leaks. By spreading nonsense, you are preventing that debate from occurring.
- Clubber 9y agoI guess that means no citations.
- lern_too_spel 9y agoHow about TFA for a citation? If you had read it, you would have known that the article you linked is no longer relevant. How about the article you linked for a citation? If you had read the article you posted, you would have known that it doesn't support your full-take of content claim. Exactly the same as with GGP, my citations are the articles that you and he posted.
- keketi 9y ago> 1. James Clapper is not in the NSA. It's true that James Clapper was not employed by the NSA at the time the question was asked. Are you suggesting that therefore he does not know the answer? If he does not know the answer then why did he answer the question? > 2. The NSA never recorded all domestic phone calls, and there is no evidence that they ever did, so neither Clapper nor the NSA lied about that. The question posed in the linked video clip is "Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions, or hundreds of millions of Americans?".
- sterlind 9y agoAnother good point: the NSA is allowed to keep encrypted data indefinitely, warrantlessly. Decryptions don't count as data - they're analysis of legally-stored encrypted info. The A5/1 cipher has been totally pwned, without even needing a crib, but it's still used for voice traffic. The NSA is allowed to store and decrypt all of this, AFAICT, through this loophole.