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The concept of prison the way we intend it is relatively new (let's say a couple of hundred years). So I am not surprised to see that there are still some refer

by mk89 8y ago

The concept of prison the way we intend it is relatively new (let's say a couple of hundred years). So I am not surprised to see that there are still some references to slavery here and there, because that was actually the punishment back then. The reason we have more blacks than white in prison is for dozens reasons: - legacy - cultural differences - social injustice Etc. Don't solve problems, ignore them, expect that people behave the way you want, wait until someone screws up here and here, let it escalate, ignore again and/or apply short term solutions, mix all this stuff, fast forward all of it, and you have the current situation. Just be lucky to be on the right side and have good parents.

jMyles 8y ago
I don't think a single iota of the prison disparity - not one - is attributable to "cultural differences". I also don't think that it is an accident. Drug prohibition was designed precisely - and initially sold expressly - as a way to control black and asian people, and later other people of color. > Don't solve problems, ignore them, expect that people behave the way you want, wait until someone screws up here and here, let it escalate, ignore again and/or apply short term solutions, mix all this stuff, fast forward all of it, and you have the current situation. I think that's pretty reasonable. That's pretty much the point I was trying to make about intelligence agencies as well.
- Clubber 8y ago
  >initially sold expressly - as a way to control black and asian people, and later other people of color. Hippies too; that's why Nixon choose to schedule pot. https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-rich...
  - jMyles 8y ago
    That was much, much later. I'm talking about the legislative movement that culminated in the Harrison Narcotics Act.
- JasonFruit 8y ago
  Got a good link on that? I'm learning some stuff today. Thanks for trading internet points for the chance to teach me.
  - jMyles 8y ago
    > Got a good link on that? I'm sure I do, but I'm not sure exactly which point you're asking about here. :-)
    - JasonFruit 8y ago
      I'll just Google --- you're a busy person.
alistproducer2 8y ago
This should be downvoted to oblivion. The only folks I've ever heard say black people's (we're not "blacks" BTW, we are actually people) problems are attributable to our culture ate racist shitbags. In order to believe that black people have some intrinsic culture of self destruction one would have to believe that culture evolves in some sort of vacuum. This couldn't be further from the truth when talking about African Americans. Black people have never been left to our own devices in this country. The government itself encoded ways to fuck with us and or minds from the very inception of this nation. Even after we were freed there was Jim crow and the peonage system (I'm sure you'll have to look that up). Even after Jim crow there was red lining. You don't have to be a history major to know that what your said is beyond dumb. I seriously hope you put a little more thought into the things you believe going forward.
- basicplus2 8y ago
  I had to look it up.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_economy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_economy And in doing so I read this bit about "it may have had as much to do with spreading poverty around" I presume that white people no longer having the black people to live off meant A. white people had to do alot more work themselves, and B. white people had to share much more of the available resources with black people So that they actively participated in racism to keep more resources for themselves.. Is this a reasonable take on this? This is the part from the Wikipedia cited above I am referring to.. "However, the African American struggle to earn economic parity, that had made progress during the first half century of the postbellum era, had largely been reversed during the second half. Legally, equality was assured, but that did little to actually promulgate equal conditions in daily life. Some of the gains in the South's economic relation to the rest of the U.S. can be explained by population shifts to other regions; so, it may have had as much to do with spreading poverty around, as spreading wealth around."
  - lovich 8y ago
    You had to look up Jim Crow laws? If you are American then that is an active level of ignorance. It is taught in most schools systems as far as I am aware, and is frequently brought up in the news and other political commentary, especially in the context of any sort of checks on voter registration. I took OP's comment as you would have to look up the peonage system If you are not American then it would be perfectly understandable to be unaware

by mk89 8y ago

jMyles 8y ago

I don't think a single iota of the prison disparity - not one - is attributable to "cultural differences". I also don't think that it is an accident. Drug prohibition was designed precisely - and initially sold expressly - as a way to control black and asian people, and later other people of color. > Don't solve problems, ignore them, expect that people behave the way you want, wait until someone screws up here and here, let it escalate, ignore again and/or apply short term solutions, mix all this stuff, fast forward all of it, and you have the current situation. I think that's pretty reasonable. That's pretty much the point I was trying to make about intelligence agencies as well.

Clubber 8y ago
>initially sold expressly - as a way to control black and asian people, and later other people of color. Hippies too; that's why Nixon choose to schedule pot. https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-rich...
- jMyles 8y ago
  That was much, much later. I'm talking about the legislative movement that culminated in the Harrison Narcotics Act.
JasonFruit 8y ago
Got a good link on that? I'm learning some stuff today. Thanks for trading internet points for the chance to teach me.
- jMyles 8y ago
  > Got a good link on that? I'm sure I do, but I'm not sure exactly which point you're asking about here. :-)
  - JasonFruit 8y ago
    I'll just Google --- you're a busy person.

alistproducer2 8y ago

This should be downvoted to oblivion. The only folks I've ever heard say black people's (we're not "blacks" BTW, we are actually people) problems are attributable to our culture ate racist shitbags. In order to believe that black people have some intrinsic culture of self destruction one would have to believe that culture evolves in some sort of vacuum. This couldn't be further from the truth when talking about African Americans. Black people have never been left to our own devices in this country. The government itself encoded ways to fuck with us and or minds from the very inception of this nation. Even after we were freed there was Jim crow and the peonage system (I'm sure you'll have to look that up). Even after Jim crow there was red lining. You don't have to be a history major to know that what your said is beyond dumb. I seriously hope you put a little more thought into the things you believe going forward.

basicplus2 8y ago
I had to look it up.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_economy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_economy And in doing so I read this bit about "it may have had as much to do with spreading poverty around" I presume that white people no longer having the black people to live off meant A. white people had to do alot more work themselves, and B. white people had to share much more of the available resources with black people So that they actively participated in racism to keep more resources for themselves.. Is this a reasonable take on this? This is the part from the Wikipedia cited above I am referring to.. "However, the African American struggle to earn economic parity, that had made progress during the first half century of the postbellum era, had largely been reversed during the second half. Legally, equality was assured, but that did little to actually promulgate equal conditions in daily life. Some of the gains in the South's economic relation to the rest of the U.S. can be explained by population shifts to other regions; so, it may have had as much to do with spreading poverty around, as spreading wealth around."
- lovich 8y ago
  You had to look up Jim Crow laws? If you are American then that is an active level of ignorance. It is taught in most schools systems as far as I am aware, and is frequently brought up in the news and other political commentary, especially in the context of any sort of checks on voter registration. I took OP's comment as you would have to look up the peonage system If you are not American then it would be perfectly understandable to be unaware