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Watch the last two minutes of this test from Edmunds and tell me why Tesla is even allowed to sell this junk. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RxeK0F-D3gg https:/

Watch the last two minutes of this test from Edmunds and tell me why Tesla is even allowed to sell this junk. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RxeK0F-D3gg https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RxeK0F-D3gg

tptacek 8y ago
(If you're too busy to watch: it repeatedly drives the car across the double yellow line dividing a 2-lane freeway, towards oncoming traffic, once right into the path of an oncoming semi).
- fokinsean 8y ago
  Geez! That was scary.
djsumdog 8y ago
I've heard that lane assist and blind spot sensor features could make things worse because people will start to pay less attention to the road. This video is pretty frightening and seems like it could be closely related to the most recent Tesla crash into the exit barrier. The biggest problem is Tesla marketing this shit as "auto-pilot" where as Honda and others tell you what it is: lane assistance. It's obviously far from perfect and I really don't think anyone should rely on it at all. The article separates out auto-breaking and adaptive cruise control and I'm glad it does. Those are present on a lot of other vehicles and it makes sense that those have prevented accidents. Side/blind-spot cameras connected to turn signals are also incredibly helpful. Going back to actual self-driving tech, I think this helps prove it's a long way away. I'd say at least 10+ more years of prototypes and I'm honestly sick of tax credits going into it. States should work on fixing our god damn public transport infrastructure first. It will cost less, transport orders of magnitudes of more people and self driving trains are real tech that exists now, verses some sci-fi fiction that may or may not be viable in a decade.
- ebikelaw 8y ago
  I don't think this proves anything about the state of self-driving tech generally. It just proves that Tesla doesn't have any, and that camera vision alone can't do much. Waymo's car doesn't drive like this.
PuffinBlue 8y ago
As a very rational person (no doubt like many of you) I am cautious to explore my 'gut' feelings with a critical eye. Often 'gut' feelings can be misleading or at least alleviated by further info. In autopilots case, and more generally with autonomous driving, I just can't shake the gut feeling that we're much much further away from achieving true autonomous safety than many people are saying. I think I might be predisposed to ultra-conservatism (small c) with automobile safety, so that might be playing it's part I guess.
mrguyorama 8y ago
Good lord I've seen drunk drivers manage better. Is something completely wrong with their cameras engineering wise?
lsh123 8y ago
I had similar experience when I was test driving Tesla, Audi, and BMW recently. Tesla performed the worst of the 3.

Watch the last two minutes of this test from Edmunds and tell me why Tesla is even allowed to sell this junk. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RxeK0F-D3gg https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RxeK0F-D3gg

tptacek 8y ago

(If you're too busy to watch: it repeatedly drives the car across the double yellow line dividing a 2-lane freeway, towards oncoming traffic, once right into the path of an oncoming semi).

fokinsean 8y ago
Geez! That was scary.

djsumdog 8y ago

I've heard that lane assist and blind spot sensor features could make things worse because people will start to pay less attention to the road. This video is pretty frightening and seems like it could be closely related to the most recent Tesla crash into the exit barrier. The biggest problem is Tesla marketing this shit as "auto-pilot" where as Honda and others tell you what it is: lane assistance. It's obviously far from perfect and I really don't think anyone should rely on it at all. The article separates out auto-breaking and adaptive cruise control and I'm glad it does. Those are present on a lot of other vehicles and it makes sense that those have prevented accidents. Side/blind-spot cameras connected to turn signals are also incredibly helpful. Going back to actual self-driving tech, I think this helps prove it's a long way away. I'd say at least 10+ more years of prototypes and I'm honestly sick of tax credits going into it. States should work on fixing our god damn public transport infrastructure first. It will cost less, transport orders of magnitudes of more people and self driving trains are real tech that exists now, verses some sci-fi fiction that may or may not be viable in a decade.

ebikelaw 8y ago
I don't think this proves anything about the state of self-driving tech generally. It just proves that Tesla doesn't have any, and that camera vision alone can't do much. Waymo's car doesn't drive like this.

PuffinBlue 8y ago

As a very rational person (no doubt like many of you) I am cautious to explore my 'gut' feelings with a critical eye. Often 'gut' feelings can be misleading or at least alleviated by further info. In autopilots case, and more generally with autonomous driving, I just can't shake the gut feeling that we're much much further away from achieving true autonomous safety than many people are saying. I think I might be predisposed to ultra-conservatism (small c) with automobile safety, so that might be playing it's part I guess.

mrguyorama 8y ago

Good lord I've seen drunk drivers manage better. Is something completely wrong with their cameras engineering wise?

lsh123 8y ago

I had similar experience when I was test driving Tesla, Audi, and BMW recently. Tesla performed the worst of the 3.